Talk:Corpse paint
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[edit] discussion moved from talk:Corpse paint in heavy metal
I've moved this from corpse paint because that term is not restricted to heavy metal. Corpse paint may be used in religious ceremonies, for instance, or in other art forms. JoaoRicardo 15:30, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- eh, what a pointless venture. you've just redirected the corpse paint article to this one. if you know enough about these so-called artistic or religious uses of the practice called "corpse paint" (not practices that resemble corpse paint, but which are called something else), write a separate article about it. if not, i'm reverting this meaningless change in a couple of days. supine 16:05, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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- Every move (renaming) creates a redirect from the old to the new name automatically. Please see Wikipedia:How to rename (move) a page. I was going to list it in Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion and wait for someone knowledgeable to write it in the future. If I understand correctly, you are saying that this term is only used within the heavy metal community. I googled for it and, indeed, most if not all occurrences seem to be related to heavy metal or similar musical genres. When I made the move, I was paying attention to the significance of the term corpse paint itself, which can be applied to whichever painting some does in his/her own corpse. Maybe it was a mistake not to check how this term is actually used. As it currently stands, I believe you are right. So if you want to move it back, I won't start a move war with you. But please let me point out to you that I consider it as a violation of Wikiquette your labeling an other editor's change "meaningless" or "pointless". Criticism is good, insulting is not. Thanks for the remark.JoaoRicardo 02:04, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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Joao, I appreciate your intentions, but I have never heard of any use of the term "corpse paint" outside of heavy metal. I accept that similar practices occur in other contexts, but the phrase "corpse paint" is not used, unless I am mistaken (if you can provide references to contradict me, you are welcome to do so). If someone wants to write about the use of similar makeup for ritual purposes or whatever, they should create a separate article. See Vesica piscis and Ichthys for an example of similar topics that have different meanings due to context. -leigh (φθόγγος)
- Perhaps that isn't the name, but the mask is used in certain ceremonies where imitating dead. I don't have references, but see Bielebog and passage of the living to Valhalla.
There is no reference as far as I know to the term "corpse paint" in other contexts than metal. If you read the seminal work "Lords of Chaos" though there are ample references to Germanic legends and lore (both from Austria and Norway) when dealing with corpsepaint. The term might be new, but the similarities are striking. The "glam rock" makeup is on the other hand a completely different thing. It has never been called corpse paint and should not be mensioned at all, in my opinion, in this article
[edit] Alice Cooper
Does Alice Cooper even count? All he's wearing is eyeliner. Last I checked, eyeliner was not corpse paint. Dysfunktion 23:32, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Same with Dave Vanian. If you're going to include him; you might as well add Siouxsie Sioux, Adam Ant, and Jordan (Ants Girlfriend and Vivienne Westwood model) since they had a more original style. Alot better than just painting black circles around their eyes anyway.
Justin
[edit] King Diamond
No mention of Merciful Fate and King Diamond?
[edit] Hellhammer and Celtic Frost
Aren't they the same band? *rolls eyes*
[edit] Immortal
Isn't it a bit wrong to use Immortal as the main example of corpse paint when they claim it is infact war-paint that they wear, not corpse-paint?
