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Contents 1 Genetics 2 Use of Honorifics in WP Titles 3 The "The" 4 Prince Charles SOM 5 Image Tagging Image:Royita.JPG 6 Baron Wrottesley 7 Alphabeticization by bot is not appropriate 8 PageMove 9 Bad News 10 Template:NassauNeth 11 description of coat of arms 12 MC, DSO, DSC and DFC Recipients 13 Sir John Mason 14 Thaxs 15 Image tagging for Image:Dublincastle.jpg 16 Image tagging for Image:Hofburgthrone.jpg 17 Order of the Bath 18 Image tagging for Image:Monacogrimthroneroom.jpg 19 what 20 Programme? 21 Lord Otho FitzGerald 22 Lists of High Commissioners from the United Kingdom 23 AfD 24 Prince Belmonte 25 Effort is underway to delete coats of arms you created 26 Unspecified source for Image:RoyGrec.png 27 Unspecified source for Image:Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen-arms.png 28 Image copyright problem with Image:Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen-arms.png 29 WikiProject 30 Good news! 31 Orphaned fair use image (Image:GG-Crest.png) 32 Handcock 33 Dick Douglas 34 Baronets 35 OM, ISO, etc 36 Lady Wentworth 37 Earl of Galloway 38 Samuel Hill-Wood 39 Ernest Scott, Gordon Beveridge, Eric Pearce, James Burns (shipowner), George Phillippo and George Frederic Still 40 Ouch 41 Unspecified source for Image:Rowan Williams coa.png 42 Monarchism 43 Order of St John 44 Rowan Williams 45 Lords/Gentlemen of the Bedchamber 46 William Hayward Pickering 47 Baron Lucas of Crudwell 48 Unspecified source for Image:Lizwar.JPG 49 Sorry if that sounded wrong. 50 Unspecified source for Image:1st Duke of Grafton.png

[edit] Genetics

An answer by both of us exists in Talk:Maria Fyodorovna. Please add your own comments. User:Dimadick

[edit] Use of Honorifics in WP Titles

See my comment on Lord Edward Somerset talk page. (I suggest you respond there if apprpriate). Bob aka Linuxlad 07:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The "The"

Hi, too. Thanks for your note. Meanwhile I have noticed it myself, watching your corrections and/or new creations. Before I thought, that someome has it forgotten. Greetings --Phoe 00:21, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prince Charles SOM

Hi there, I notice that a while back you added Prince Charles to the list of recipients of the Saskatchewan Order of Merit. however according to the official page of the order Charles is not a member. Just wondering where you got this info. In the mean time I have removed it. Dowew 03:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging Image:Royita.JPG

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[edit] Baron Wrottesley

You added an heir presumptive in May; per Michael Rhodes, however, the 6th Baron has two sons, Hon. Victor (b. 28 Jan 2004) and a one as yet unnamed (b. 19 Jun 2006). Choess 17:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alphabeticization by bot is not appropriate

Alphabeticization of categories is a bad idea and is opposed by many people. For this reason it is listed on Wikipedia:Semi-bots as something which should not be done by bots. It is easy to do what I see as great harm to Wikipedia using a bot in this way, but harder to repair the damage. This means it is unsporting to use a bot in this fashion. I will be tracking your edits and will revert them if you continue with this practice. Thank you. Chicheley 14:52, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I've really you haven't actually been doing full alphabeticization, but I would urge you to edit manually in any case. Looking at the people you worked on, many of them are not in the most essential categories, eg diplomats and generals who are categorised by years of birth and death, three of four honours, and maybe an education institution or two, but not as diplomats or generals! The only way to sort the categories on an article out properly is to look at them manually. I think occupational categories should come first and the year of birth and death categories are unimportant and should go last, and I've read comments to the same effect from lots of other people. Chicheley 15:39, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PageMove

Cheers for the Monckton page move I'm always a bit nervious about those so I made the articles changes and had left that to do later :) Alci12 00:13, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bad News

Bad News. I'm afraid the new version of the Irish coat of arms you uploaded isn't the Irish coat of arms. It seems to be someone's attempt to make one, but is the wrong type of harp, at the wrong angle, with the wrong number of strings, wrong decoration, etc. (The version you uploaded seems to be based on a version of the harp once used on the royal standard.) The one that you replaced actually is the correct one. (If you compare the two of them closely you'll see that they are not the same.) So it looks like you'll have change back all the substitutions you made. Sorry for bringing the bad news. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 17:58, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:NassauNeth

Why on earth did you revert my corrections? William II never had a daughter names Wilhelmina, her name was Sophie and she is rather well known so it really wouldn't be hard to check that. Sascha was just an informal nickname used by Alexander's family and friends. Or should we call Prince Frederick, King William II and Queen Beatrix Fritz, Guillot and Trix in the template as well? Känsterle 08:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] description of coat of arms

Hi. I made some additions to Count of Vasaborg, one addition being an attempt to describe theur coat-of-arms. You seem to be the resident coat-of-arms guy. My descriptive abilitues are not perfect, as I do not know all that terminology. Vasaborg arms was the same as that of the dynasty of Vasa, but a diagonal something (line? balk? spar? what is that thing showing bastardry?) going through. The picture of Vasa dynasty's arms you surely find somehwere - it depicts a tied bunch of wheat or something, harvested in late summers from fields. Could you try (1) to get the actual picture of Vasaborg arms to add as picture and (2) to apply heraldry terminology to the description I tried to write there. ObRoy 20:59, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MC, DSO, DSC and DFC Recipients

There are numerous recipients of these two awards who are not listed in Category .... I wish I knew how to use a robot and suspect you do know. ;) - Kittybrewster 17:34, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Are they Knights Commander (title) or Knight Commanders (line 1) - Kittybrewster 10

53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sir John Mason

Hi. The naming conventions say that it is acceptable to use a title to disambiguate between two (or more) people of the same name, one of whom has a title. I always think it's rather messy and counter-intuitive to use dates as the disambiguating factor. And the conventions don't actually seem to allow for them anyway, preferring a descriptor. -- Necrothesp 09:08, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thaxs

Thaxs for the welcome! i feel adjusted to the site and have good time to fool around with somethings in the sand box lol so yea and ttyl Daft SPARTAN-117 00:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Craigy,

I am enjoying wikipedia so far... there is lots of good stuff here. I am looking forward to contributing as well.

Perhaps you are not the correct person to ask... but I will anyway....

If I edit a page to either correct or add information, must I have a source? There are some things I know, but would be hard pressed to find a definative reference.

I tried to find the answer to this question in the help, but was not succesful.

Broh.

I addes some stuff on the Fortran programming language page which is definitely non-controversial.

The example "hello, World" program for Fortran 66 would not work as written, so I updated it. It would have produced "ello, World".

The problem with Fortran 66 is that I do not know if a "standard" like ANSI or ISO was ever written.

How do you embed the little "reply-to-me" icon in a talk page?

[edit] Image tagging for Image:Dublincastle.jpg

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[edit] Image tagging for Image:Hofburgthrone.jpg

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[edit] Order of the Bath

There are too many categories on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Bath#See_also Please would you propose some for CfD - Kittybrewster 22:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] what

hey i'm andy what does that thing on ur page mean?

[edit] Programme?

Could you tell me what programme you use to make coats of arms? Is it Maitre D'Armes, and if so, do you know a place where you can download this securely? Thank you.--Abc1818 15:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lord Otho FitzGerald

I've just created the article; I believe he's depicted in one of the caricatures you often upload. Choess 05:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

The image is here; of "Rt. Hon. Lord Otho Augustus FitzGerald", entitled "A Message from the Queen". Vanity Fair, Spy, 1873. He appears to be carrying a staff of office, but I don't know which. Choess 22:10, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lists of High Commissioners from the United Kingdom

I've moved the series of lists of ambassadors from the United Kingdom to 'List of High Commissioners from the United Kingdom to Foo', including articles that you have recently created (High Commissioners from the United Kingdom to Australia, etc). The previous naming convention, which I had adopted in the first place, was simply inadequate to indicate that the articles were lists; this standard ought to work for that purpose. Bastin 11:09, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD

FYI, an article that you created Maralyn Ramsay, Countess of Dalhousie, has been nominated for deletion, in case you would care to participate in the discussion. --Elonka 21:28, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prince Belmonte

Please could you let me know how you generated excellent depictions of coats of arms on the page Duke of Buccleuch and elsewhere? I have a need to generate some heraldic images (for coats of arms) for several articles and am not proficient in this. Very grateful if you can help. The blazons of arms are given at Prince Belmonte under 'Arms', and there is almost total overlap with Duke_or_Duchess_of_Acerenza and Marquess_or_Marchioness_of_Galatone, although the blazon for 'Grillo' also appears in these latter two cases. This is a piece of urgent work that I would gladly something that I would be glad to offer reward for- in terms of a donation to Wiki if that is appropriate. Please could you guide me on the best way of accomplishing this goal of depicting these arms to your high standard? Thank you- Aquilachrysaetos 07:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Effort is underway to delete coats of arms you created

It appears that a concerted effort is underway to delete coats of arms you created on the basis that you categorised them as coat of arms, and that means fair use, meaning that as fair use images they cannot be used in templates. If you created them you might want to recategorise as PD-user. That way you claim copyright and then release them fully for usage. Durin insists on deleting your version of the Greek royal coat of arms from the Greek royal template. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 15:44, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

• I've deleted no images uploaded by Craigy144. In the particular case Jtdirl is referring to, Image:RoyGrec.png was removed from {{House of Oldenburg (Glucksburg-Greece)}} because it is tagged with {{coatofarms}}. The best interpretation of this tagging is that we can use it under fair use. Jtdirl asserts you created this image, but there is at this time no on-wikipedia evidence of this. Do not re-tag this or any other image of yours as {{PD-user}} unless you actually created the image yourself. Improper tagging, especially assertions of self-creation when there is evidence of it not being so, is highly inappropriate, so I encourage you not to do so. If you did in fact create this image, then certainly tag it as above, and by all means feel free to put it back on the template in question, or indeed any other template where you feel it is appropriate. All the best, --Durin 16:31, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
• I found another image with similar problems as noted below. I then found a number of other images with similar problems, for example Image:Bucc1565coa.JPG and Image:Bucc1806coa.JPG. I'd appreciate it if you would go through all of your image uploads for coats of arms and rectify any situation where there is no source and/or no license other than {{coatofarms}}. Thanks and all the best, --Durin 17:18, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unspecified source for Image:RoyGrec.png

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[edit] Unspecified source for Image:Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen-arms.png

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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen-arms.png

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[edit] WikiProject

If you're going to create new headers for the succession boxes, you may wish to leave notices at Wikipedia:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization. Choess 03:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good news!

Load this page from archive.org and take note of the two links at the bottom. They download, but I'm on a Mac right now, so I don't know if they work. The second link appears to be the clip art package. Choess 21:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Bleh. It works, but the quality still falls far short of Bunel's images, which must require a very serious clipart package on the backend. Choess 01:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:GG-Crest.png)

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[edit] Handcock

By pure chance I was flicking at that moment and did wiki later for the title to see if he was genuine. I agree atm that he's not notable enough to merit an article but I suppose if he wins or comes close then things may well change - he didn't seem to have that sensational a voice so I'm not holding my breath Alci12 23:46, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dick Douglas

I see, rather belatedly, that you added CB to Dick Douglas at the end of December 2005. He seems a rather unlikely recipient of that honour, so I wondered what your source was - from the date of your addition, I assumed it was from New Year Honours, but he is not listed. Can you shed any light?--George Burgess 11:25, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Baronets

Please visit my user page - Baronetcy project 10:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OM, ISO, etc

Hello there. I see that you reverted my category change, stating that they are not chivalric orders. Of course you are quite right, they are not. However the category that I was assigning them to was 'Orders of knighthood of the United Kingdom'. My particular interest is in military decorations and campaign medals, but I do have a familiarity with this topic. It has always been my understanding that these are orders of knighthood - I have certainly seen them categorised as such in a number of books.

Best wishes, Xdamr^talk 22:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lady Wentworth

Hi, while it was nice of you to create a wiki link to the 16th Baroness Wentworth, famous for the Crabbet Arabian Stud, it's a red link. While there is an article on her mother, Lady Anne Blunt, there isn't a separate one for Judith. Would you care to create one? It would be very nice if you could! I just know the horse stuff, I'm no expert on the nobility "stuff." Montanabw 22:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Cool that you are working on an article. Shoot me the link when it's up, OK? Montanabw 01:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Nice piece. I added a bit on the horse stuff, created a references area for footnotes, added a category and did a few style tweaks. If I overdid it, just edit accordingly. Montanabw 19:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Given that you are the peerage expert, can you fact-check the end of the Crabbet Arabian Stud article, "Crabbet under Cecil Covey" section, and explain if Lady Anne Lytton and Lady Winifred Tryon are the same person or two different people? Also, can you connect the dots of Lady Anne Lytton's title to Lady Anne Blunt, given that somehow it appears that Lady Wentworth's title didn't go to her daughters, even though, according to the Lady Anne Blunt article, it was supposed to?? Just curious...and thanks in advance. Montanabw 19:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Earl of Galloway

In July 2005, you edited the Earl of Galloway article, adding 'Senwick House' as the family seat. Is this right? Senwick House is today a nursing home, and I can't find any association with the Earls of Galloway. According to this article, the last residence of an Earl was at Cumloden, Galloway House having been sold in 1908. - Crosbiesmith 12:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see it's listed as an address in the 1998 Who's Who. I think I'll remove that though. The 13th Earl may or may not live there still, but I don't think it can be described as a 'seat'. Regards, Crosbiesmith 12:37, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Samuel Hill-Wood

What sort of knighthood? - Kittybrewster 18:42, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Got him. .- Kittybrewster 19:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ernest Scott, Gordon Beveridge, Eric Pearce, James Burns (shipowner), George Phillippo and George Frederic Still

What sort of knighthood, please? - Kittybrewster 12:25, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. How do you do it, I wonder? - Kittybrewster 21:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ouch

User_talk:Icairns#Please_stop_and_revert_all - Kittybrewster 14:34, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unspecified source for Image:Rowan Williams coa.png

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[edit] Monarchism

Was trolling recent changes on RV patrol, noticed you are a monarchist?! Good heavens, why?! Kaisershatner 15:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Order of St John

Hi Craigy, in the last months I've seen you had corrected categories belonging to royal orders (moved Category:Officers of the British Empire to Category:Officers of the Order of the British Empire, in example). Nice work, by the way. Do you intend to do this also on the Order of St John? It think Category:Something of the Order of St John would look better than the version now (Category:Something of St John). Greetings Phoe 16:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rowan Williams

Orphanbot has already removed the COA you uploaded from the archbishop's bio. Please help and provide source and licensing info before someone deletes the image. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 18:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lords/Gentlemen of the Bedchamber

The list of office-holders files them under "Gentlemen of the Bedchamber," but when describing the Ladies of the Bedchamber, says that they "performed the same duties as lords of the bedchamber did for a male sovereign." I think that's sufficient evidence to treat them as the same thing. I suspect that "Gentlemen" is the older term, perhaps from the Tudor period, when the Peerage waxed lean, and it became "Lords" when the posts began to be filled by peers. Choess 04:07, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] William Hayward Pickering

I see that you removed the "Sir" some while ago. From what I can see you were correct but this goes against universal usage in his home country so some clarification could be made on the page to avoid it being added in again by. See the note someone has put in the "talk" section. --Snori 04:10, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Baron Lucas of Crudwell

Hello. I see that you disagree with me over the present Baron Lucas of Crudwell. Who's Who (2003 edition) and dodonline.co.uk lists Ralph Matthew Palmer as the 11th Baron. Also, Debrett's (1990 edition) lists his mother as the tenth holder and does not include Anthony Grey (Earl of Harold) in the numbering. Unfortunately, I don’t have access to Burke's or The Complete Peerage, so I don’t know if they disagree with Debrett's (also don’t know which of the three is considered the most authoritative). What are you sources for the present Baron being the twelfth holder? Hopefully we can sort this out. Regards Tryde 17:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello again. Thanks for your answer. I have also enquired with user:Proteus (on the recommendation of user:Kittybrewster) who has access to The Complete Peerage, and according to him the Earl of Harold is included in the numbering also in this work. I have re-written the article on the Baron Lucas of Crudwell accordingly but included a note that Debrett's and dodonline.co.uk seem to disagree on the matter. Regards Tryde 21:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: your comment "his totally confuses me as to why it didn't just pass to the duke's eldest daughter, the Countess of Breadalbane and Holland (mother of Lady Grey)" The writ only accelerated the transfer to the named individual and his heirs according to the remainder of that title. So if the The Duke of X has a daughter b, a son y who has a son z. Then the acceleration would cause the numbering to go up one and to go to y. If y dies then the title goes to z potentially the titles could stay forever seperated. If z then y dies the title reverts to the Duke as the writ only applies to a named individual it accelerated. A barony by writ has never been accelerated in favour of a female and could only I suppose be done if she was the only heir of a deceased male heir apparent to the title Alci12 11:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I would if only I could cite a source! While I know it to be true I can't cite it which I'd really prefer. However it's so obscure an issue it's next to impossible to cite. [Ed. Oh this might do indeed it might - from the debate inthe HoL wrt the exclusion of HPs.

Baroness Jay of Paddington :The fact that the holder of a peerage by virtue of acceleration is the holder of a hereditary peerage is confirmed by the case in 1689--I am sure that will attract the Committee's attention and support--of Charles Boyle, the eldest surviving son of the Earl of Burlington, who was summoned to Parliament in 1689 in his father's barony of Clifford. He died in his father's lifetime, leaving a son. On the death of the Earl's son in 1694 the grandson claimed and received a writ of summons in the barony. This illustrates that the effect of an acceleration is to hasten the descent of the dignity but not to change its nature." Alci12 16:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Yup...took a little thinking but I was sure I must be able to find a source . Do you know how to move a page? As it's a writ in acceleration not 'of' even if it's commonly so called.[1] Alci12 16:31, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

That's given me a headache but I'll finish the article first. Sadly as one problem seems solved I have rememered another. I'm *sure* but again without source that the writ has one other consequence that's almost unique (there is another way but it's equally rare) that it grants the right to the eldest son the supporters of his father with his arms (with lable as eldest son obviously) [Ed btw did you not miss Flora Ann Madeline Hubble b. 12 Jun 1957 from your edit to the hastings barony? ] Alci12 17:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unspecified source for Image:Lizwar.JPG

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[edit] Sorry if that sounded wrong.

I left that as much so anyone looking at the article and thinking they knew how the system worked wouldn't change the hon's all to lord or vice versa as the WoP is v rare. Just so you're clear I wasn't having a go :) Alci12 23:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Those peerages with heirs with earldoms or below are a pain as their sons/daughters dying at the wrong moment can leave them with unexpected titles that take a really careful look to spot. Took me a good few minutes to quite work out what was happening. I make enough mistakes, usually when I edit late at night (looks at clock!) Alci12 23:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unspecified source for Image:1st Duke of Grafton.png

Thanks for uploading Image:1st Duke of Grafton.png. I notice the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this file yourself, then there needs to be a justification explaining why we have the right to use it on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you did not create the file yourself, then you need to specify where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

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