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[edit] Split?
Article listed on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion Apr 29 to May 6 2004, consensus was to redirect to London Borough of Croydon. Discussion:
There is already a much better article London Borough of Croydon. Any new items should go into that one. The contents of Croydon is nonsense.--Dieter Simon 01:05, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- I turned it into a redirect. The content was a perfectly fair game for this. Mikkalai 03:04, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Keep as redirect. Nothing to merge. Incidentally, does anyone know why the update link ain't working? I must be missing something, it looks OK to me but gives me a bad page title diagnostic when I try it. Andrewa 10:34, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Please don't list obvious redirect/merging candidates. Do the merging instead. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 12:08, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Keep Croydon as a redirect. I think there is a strong need to have a page on the town of Croydon - both historically and even currently (and I grew up near there) there has always been a sense of Croydon town. Maybe as a compromise make that page a redirect to the London Borough of Croydon and put the contents up at Croydon, London, Croydon town or something. I agree it needs more content - I can always dig up some of the town's history and put it there (the railway in particular has some stuff). Timrollpickering 00:27, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
End discussion
Since this discussion took place, Croydon and London Borough of Croydon did eventually split to describe the central town and the wider area and institutions respectively. Mtiedemann 10:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Corporation of Croydon
This designation appears on part of the Croydon Clocktower building: how does it relate to local government? As there is also the Corporation of London there should be a line or two in Corporation on the subject (with a redirect as appropriate).
Jackiespeel 17:51, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- 'Corporation' in this case basically means 'Croydon Council'. As I understand it, Corporation referred to the institution as a whole, in particular the staff and services, whereas the Council meant specifically the elected councillors. This may be too crude a distinction and I am not sure these terms were used outside large metropolitan boroughs. Mtiedemann 00:00, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
- During the time Croydon was a municipal borough (1883-1889) the governing body would be known as a municipal corporation. Mrsteviec 09:42, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Requested move
Croydon, United Kingdom → Croydon – Page originally moved without discussion, affecting hundreds of other pages. The UK Croydon is by far the largest, earliest and best-known judging by Google hits and WP articles. There is already a Croydon (disambiguation) to point to others. Mtiedemann 10:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Survey
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- Support move. I would guess that this Croydon is the original one as well as the principal one. Perhaps as important, having simply "Croydon" as the article name would be consistent with many other places in London - e.g., Bromley, Ealing. (One that doesn't follow that convention is Sutton, but that's because there are very many other prominent Suttons elsewhere.) --A bit iffy 10:21, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Discussion
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I've moved this back to Croydon as a speedy move - any major page like this should always be discussed before changing it to a dab page. — sjorford++ 13:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] City?
I've removed reference to Croydon being considered a city as its dubious at best. It is the larger London Borough of Croydon that has applied for city status so if anywhere should be noted as "city like" it should be that entity. That aside, Croydon is part of the general urban sprawl of London, it really isn't a city by any definition. A "metropolitan" or "suburban" centre would be a more accurate description. Mrsteviec 12:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- Croydon has actually applied for City status a number of times - it narrowly missed getting the last grant of a City charter from the Queen.81.179.94.215 23:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)Croydonian
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- However, it was the London Borough of Croydon, not Croydon that applied for city status. MRSC • Talk 22:09, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Is Croydon generally understood to be a suburb of London, or a town separate from London? I'd lean towards the former (it's physically contiguous with London and administratively treated as part of it) but maybe there's room for both views. Lfh 18:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
- Croydon is a London Borough as is stated in the article, yes it is a suburb of London, and is one of the largest urban centres within Greater London. Over the years it has almost taken on an identity of its own outside Central London which you realise as you arrive there. Dieter Simon 01:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
- Croydon is one of a limited number of major centres in Outer London. As such, it is a highly connected part of the conurbation, not at all distinct. MRSC • Talk 22:09, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
