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[edit] Swedes=Elves?
the part in the music section about how swedish people are comparable to elves seems sort of strange, especially considering many readers will not pick up on the reference to elves (tolkien's elves), because people often associates elves with the tiny 'Keebler Elf' type. It also sounds pretty retarded.
[edit] Bergman
"Ingmar Bergman, whose father was a harsh vicar, had his share of the dogmatic protestantism which outlined Sweden in the 19th century. His life was filled with shame and deceptions and a dreary sense of lonely void. What better designates the artist? He made an impact on the world with his gloomy film and the Swedish nature which is very pretty sometimes." (emphasis mine)
The wording in this part is fairly odd but the bold part really takes the prize, perhaps it needs to be reworded? --81.236.13.188 16:16, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
-Wow! This one had a golden raspberry waiting for it. if there were one for film criticism. Honestly, the simplistic equation of Bishop Vergerus and other harsh people with Bergman's father and so on seems very widespread, you see it all the time on the forums relating to Bergman on imdb. I'll be making a few references in apppropriate places to point out that Bergman's dramatizations, while masterful, are also the grandchildren of Strindberg and Ibsen (Vergerus is a pretty obvious descendant of Rev. Brand in Ibsen's play).
There should also be some outline of the style and character of Swedish moviemaking after Bergman.Strausszek October 2, 2006
I'd like to see this article describe life in Sweden the way the Culture of the United States describes life in the US.
--142.163.130.240 20:27, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
Yes agreed. The current article gives little real feeling of Sweden. I will try to work on this article.--BrorMartin 21:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
We need to write more more more about Swedish literature, poetry and painting.
--Fred-Chess 13:04, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Rinkeby Swedish is not a pidgin, if you would go by the definition in the Wikipedia article, it's got more in common with street Ebonics or Spanglish than it has with true pidgins. If you're talk about rap songs by Latin Kings, Ken Ring, Advance Patrol etc, which is what most people in Sweden think about when they hear the word, they neither have "rudimentary grammar" (though it could be argued it is "simpler" than Standard Swedish) nor "restricted vocabulary". I'd say it could be a sociolect, code switching, register, dialect, slang vernacular etc, but not a true pidgin, especially since many speakers often know Swedish better than the languages it's been mixed up with, due to living in the Swedish culture. Opinions about the exact definition may differ, though...
[edit] Music
The section on music is in serious need of editing. For one thing, music is definitely not Sweden's largest export product - whoever wrote this has absolutely no knowledge of economics. -User:Julian
Absolutely correct criticism. Swedish music export has at times been the third highest in the world, and likely exceptional per capita, but nowhere near to being the number one source of exports. In addition, not mentioning Birgit Nilsson among the opera singers is outrageous. --Johan L 23:12, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] drinking history
should put this somewhere soon, or a portion of it...
Very stringent liquor laws have been in force in Sweden as well as Norway for many years. With a few exceptions, the provisions of the law correspond exactly to those in force in some of the New England States. Parishes may prohibit the sale of spirits entirely, or according to the vote of the people limit its sale to one or two establishments, which are required to pay either a high fixed license, or to turn in to the public treasury all profits over five per cent. This last is the system which prevails in many of the Swedish towns, and particularly in the large cities, under the name of the Göteborg, or Gothenburg system, so called from having been first tried in the town of that name. The plan consists essentially in the letting out of the liquor stores by time local authorities, usually to a company, which undertakes to pay over all proceeds to the authorities, after deducting the five per cent. interest for itself. The special purpose of the Gothenburg system is to take away from the retail liquor seller all temptation to “make custom” by encouraging drunkenness; but there seems to be some question whether the plan works as well as it is expected to, even when combined with such further restrictive regulations as the requirement that in certain cases the customer shall eat before he drinks, or a limitation in the amount of liquor to be sold to one person. But wine, beer, and porter are usually not included in these restrictions; and though private stills are not prohibited, private drinking is not controlled. The Gothenburg system does not, therefore, prevent or abolish time evil; but it is nevertheless a wholesome check upon intemperance. The parishes around Siljan Lake have suffered greatly in past times from the prevalemice of intoxication and no one of them is a liberal license system in vogue.
As may have been gathered from preceding pages, the chief recreation and entertainment of the Dalecarlians is churchgoing. Open - air meetings and parish
- From "Dalecarlia", Harper's new monthly magazine. Volume 67, Issue 401, October 1883. p. 681
Fred-Chess 04:08, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Some Comments
I read this on a whim. This article at times appears that it was written by some Swedish tourist board or pro-Sweden advocacy group, lol. I am sure Swedish culture is wonderful, but this article seems pretty biased if you ask me. For instance, the blanket statement that Swedish literature is, "active and vibrant," is very subjective, unreferenced, and pretty much a cliche. Comparing Swedes to elves is plain silly. The tone of the article as introduced by the first sentence is too relaxed and not factual enough.
Another poster had a very good idea; using the same format as the author of the American culture entry would be very beneficial. co94 March 22, 2006
[edit] Not very 'Jante'
Whatever happened to the Swedish idea of we are no better than anyone else? This article is absurdly nationalistic. The description of racial characteristics is pushing it, and the general claims about film, literature, etc., are by in large exagerrations. There is hardly a mention of classical music, painting, poetry, and other forms of artistic expression.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.13.249.98 (talk • contribs) 18 April 2006.
- I agree. Terrible article. Claiming that swedish music is defined by a " a melodic happy-music of purity and innocence" is based on a biased selection error, and is not true to my own perception of who we are (indeed, I would argue that swedes in general are quite a bit more somber than most culture). The swedish music that has been internationally successful is positive, because that is the kind of music that tends to become successful.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Victronizor (talk • contribs) 9 May 2006.
- Agree. Awful quality overall. --Johan L 23:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I love this article--71.236.169.89 06:50, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Architecture
There also should be nolted, that the houses on the countryside are extremely(!) uniform. (I dont know if this is right for the whole of sweden, but around stockholm it's extreme. All the houses are same style. they look nice indeed, but it's extreme how standardized they are. --217.162.144.131
[edit] Non-intellectual?
The first line here states that Swedish culture is "non-intellectual". Ouch, is that fair? I'm a non-Swede, but I'd be pretty annoyed if that was the wikipedia comment on my country!
