Talk:Culture of death
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The neutrality of Culture of Life was challenged. On balance, I felt it best to flag this article as well. I feel strongly that the media and various politicians have pre-empted the usage of these terms. I would like to see the Wikipedians put together soemthing that is relevent now, and 5 years from now on the subjects. Please help. --ghost 20:47, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- My thanks to 119 for the work. The only item that I disagree with is the substitution of Code word (propaganda) for Rhetorical device. Although this may be more grammatically correct, I believe the former is more relavent. Thus, I have added a link in "See Also".
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[edit] From Culture of Life
"...A society with a Culture of Death is one in which human lives are not highly valued and can be thought of as a means to an end. In such a society, human lives might be destroyed for political, eugenic or obscurantist reasons. Historical events such as the Holocaust in Nazi Germany or the Great_Purges in the Soviet Union are the result of societies embodying a Culture of Death..."--Klonimus 06:34, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I want to this in. It fits well.--ghost 05:57, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV
Well, I see this entry finally got it's NPOV flag. And once again, it's from an anonymous source.
Why are people assuming Republican/Democrat? That has nothing to do with this. I know people of both groups on both sides....--ghost 06:59, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Traditionally, the Republican Party has advocated against abortion rights, the right to die, etc. While the Democratic Party has advocated for abortion rights, the right to die, etc. There are people who support either party that differ from that party's views, but that is why people have been assuming Republican/Democrat.Emmett5 23:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge with Culture of Life
I think culture of life and culture of death should be in the same article. The terms only have meaning when compared to one another, so it makes no sense to focus on them individually.
- I originally created the seperation between the articles to try to limit NPOV issues. The feelings on both sides are deep enough to risk taking away from the content. Also, the segragation of the terms allows for the comparisons between Culture of Death and Nazi Germany to be given their own forum. Finally, there is a previous use of the term Culture of Death that dates to Colonial Europe. It was used in a deragotory manner in justifing the subjagation of Asian, South American & other "barbaric" cultures. I did not have time to research this during my initial write, and wanted to address it later. ghost 22:52, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Splitting the articles in two will just make two POV articles instead of one balanced one. You can't call someone a Nazi without giving them the chance to respond and defend themselves and be balanced. Also, everything here except the "barbarism" issue is covered in the other article.
Support merge:
- Dave 15:40, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC) (caveat: If someone wants to write the "CoD as barbarism" article Ghost mentions, that's fine, too. Then the article should be about that with a link to "culture of life.")
Opppose merge:
--Boonton98 21:35, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC) I oppose the merge, the two should be linked to each other but should be seperate articles. I do think this article needs to be cleaned up a bit. :What exactly fits in one article but not in the other? To me, the terms only have meaning when compared to one another. Dave (talk) 02:39, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)
- [1] shows that boonton98 has never edited the encyclopedia except to vote here. I'm discounting his vote and modifying the page.
Abstain:
- ghost 22:52, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup tag
Added cleanup tag because I don't think it's encyclopedic to have an editorial comment by a user on the article page.--Anchoress 03:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed and fixed. See below. Al 06:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Comments moved from article:
The previous editor's work remains untouched above. It should be clear enough that it conflates rather than disambiguates.
As used by Pope John Paul II, the Culture of Death refers to a culture which reasons as follow: 1) Some human beings are not persons. 2) Their less-than human lives may be terminated at our discretion. To this, he contrasted a Culture of Life which requires without exception that we not dehumanize anyone.
[edit] NRA
David Corn wrote:
- In his book Making a Killing: The Business of Guns in America, Tom Diaz, a former NRA member and competitive shooter who became a gun control activist, shows that the gun industry in recent years responded to flat sales by producing increasingly deadly guns. But the gun culture—centered on a device that enables lethal violence—is not part of the right’s “culture of death.” [2] --Wing Nut 18:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
