User talk:DanBeale

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Smee 21:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] helpme

I do a search for "Proffesional" [sic] because I want to correct it to "professional". I find very many articles that, in my opinion, could be deleted. Is it okay for me to PROD many articles, or should I limit myself to one or two PRODs per day?

I sometimes feel a bit guilty about PRODing because often these articles are a person's only wikipedia edits, and a PROD isn't a nice welcome to wikipedia.

I welcome any advice. DanBeale 10:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Greetings, DanBeale! I am sure that many users, such as those on new pages patrol, regularly tag a relatively large amount of articles with {{prod}}. However, consider only tagging a few at a time at first, and monitoring the outcome, so as to not be overwhelmed and so that you can get a feel for the processes involved. It is entirely up to you, though. Also remember that it might be better to nominate an article for speedy deletion or at articles for deletion, depending on the article and circumstances.

As for your first statement, keep in mind that sometimes redirects are created in order to cater for common mis-spellings when searching for an article. For example, Proffesional (although it doesn't currently exist) could be created as a redirect to Professional.

I hope this helps. Feel free to put {{helpme}} back up if you have any more questions, or leave a message on my talk page. —Xhantar^Talk 11:11, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stuart Soane

Hi Dan. Thanks for the personal explanation about the prod. I can see where you are coming from tbh, as there are plenty of sport stubs for people with very little claim to fame. I remember there being a section in WP:Notability about professional sportsmen and had a quick look for it. Alas, I think editing of the policy has removed it and all I can come up with is this, which you are of course familiar with and I imagine is the reason why you prodded Stuart Soane.

My personal view is that for the player in question to claim notability, they should have at least played for their side's first team (provided that it is a pro team), which Soane has done. See Celtic F.C.#Reserve & Youth squad or Manchester United F.C. Academy for a whole range of articles on players who have not achieved this feat and are considerably more worthy of deletion.

As for inherent notability, I would tend to side with User:Walton monarchist89's interpretation over User: Seraphimblade's: if an article has little more than directory information it is certainly a stub and requires expansion but doesn't necessarily qualify for deletion. In Stuart Soane' particular case, he is at a disadvantage in comparison with an equivalent player for one of the Old Firm or the Edinburgh sides in terms of non-trivial coverage in independent sources, in that local papers in the Highland area (eg Inverness Courier) do not maintain an online archive of stories in the manner of The Scotsman (Edinburgh) or The Herald (Glasgow), making citing retrospectively difficult. User:Blnguyen's argument on Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)#"Multiple non-trivial publications" and priority of criteria expresses well the problems of media coverage as being the only basis for worthiness for inclusion.

As it is, I will add an outside source, infobox and project details to the page. I would not necessarily contest it's deletion, however would suggest that an across the board policy such as WP:Notability (sportspersons) would be useful and that its position should be enforced evenly, so that people who are attached to, but haven't played for, popular sides such as Man Utd or Celtic are treated on a par with those that have played professionally with less popular teams such as Inverness CT. Caledonian Place 12:14, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Just came accross this, the notability content I mention above that has since been removed from wikipedia:Notability (people), on the WikiProject Football page:

Sportspeople who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in an individual professional sport, or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports, including college sports in the United States. Articles about first team squad members who have not made a first team appearance may also be appropriate, but only if the individual is at a club of sufficient stature that most members of its squad already have articles.

Caledonian Place 14:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)