User talk:DarrenBaker

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[edit] Welland Canal and Welland By-Pass

I see that you make maps. You might consider producing a map for these two articles. Cafe Nervosa | talk22:36, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

So terse! I do, and I may... --DarrenBaker 22:55, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello, I'm about to create articles covering the history of the canal in rather more detail, and I think it'd be great to provide maps to show the old routes of the canal. Originally I meant to do them myself based on images such as Image:Welland-niagara.PNG, but I am sure with your experience you could make better ones. Let me know if and when you have time to participate. Thanks :) --Qviri 04:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Road street names

Please check out Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(places)#Road_street_name where I ask for policy on use of common or official names. I think User:Darkcore is over doing it in using common names. Thanks, Cafe Nervosa | talk 20:00, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] TransCanada pipeline

I've been making articles on all the major pipelines in North America. Right now none of the ones that I created have a map. Would you mind either adding notes to the TransCanada map you made indicating where it connects to other major pipelines, or showing me how to do it? Thanks,

--Ignignot 02:35, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

No problem, I'll do that today! Thanks!

--DarrenBaker 15:06, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

In reference to your recent edit to remove the pipeline EBBs, I have to strongly disagree that the EBBs are not useful. They are used every single day in the natural gas trading environment, as they tell you what the pipeline is doing at any given point on any day - basically a total picture of a pipeline's activities. It also usually contains a pipeline map, the people you need to contact to get information or schedule activity on the pipeline, information on outages, and planned expansions. The only other commodity with as much information available is the electricity market. --Ignignot 16:05, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I'll grant you that they sound interesting, but when I went there, every page was pretty much blank. I think that if they get put on, it should be in a different section, not under External Sources. Maybe 'Other Links' or something like that. Just being nitpicky, don't mind me. Incidentally, do you have a good link to an overview of North America's natural gas pipelines? I'm having trouble finding one. --DarrenBaker 16:11, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh now I see the misunderstanding. The EBBs sometimes have very little data on their "main" page. If you look to the left it will have subheadings like "informational postings," "tarriff," and "gas quality." Those will have much more information. However it doesn't make sense to link to them individually so I just added one to the root. For all the other pipelines I put the link in an external links section.

As for the North American gas pipeline overview... as far as I know, the only way to get a map is to buy one, either from data providers like lippmanconsulting.com, bentekenergy.com, pira, or ferc (which, while they are a government organization, will require you to sign away your first born before they send you a map. By mail.) Some companies will post their own maps, some won't. Right now the most complete free online resource that I know of is what I just made in wikipedia, in category:natural gas pipelines. I want to make an individual map for each pipeline, using some gis software, and then I should be able to create a total system map rather easily. But something like that would take months to complete. I had assumed that since you took an interest in TransCanada and made a map of their system, that you were already familiar with it. --Ignignot 17:14, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Hrmm... I found one online there somewhere, I'm sure I can find another one and use it to do a North American map. I've got a large map of North America that I can use as a base for all the pipeline maps, and just colour the different systems accordingly. I'm not familiar with the system, I'm just endlessly fascinated by it, since it runs about 500' behind my house. I will be including a photo of the 'do not dig' sign and a photo of the check station (not sure what it's called) nearby, when I get around to taking them. --DarrenBaker 17:19, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I just ran across a pipeline map on the eia website for the United States... see page 2 or 3 --Ignignot 17:22, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Ah! Most excellent. I am working on it right now. --DarrenBaker 17:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Also, from your local bilingual NEB check page 4 for a decent overview

OK, I have uploaded a new image for TransCanada pipeline. I've finished a map of the Canadian natural gas supply that can be modified to focus on any specific part, and I plan to add the US's system to the map next. Any thoughts on the map? --DarrenBaker 01:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I'd say it's damn good work! Thanks for doing it so quickly. What mapping software did you use? --Ignignot 14:08, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! I used Adobe Photoshop, and just created layers for everything. It's great for that! --DarrenBaker 14:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Also, I'm not sure if we should include foothills and BC system in the TransCanada page (and map). The pipes are all ran by TransCanada, but they aren't the same system. That also goes for TransCanada Alberta. Originally I planned to put them all together, but that is inconsistent with how I put together the El Paso Corporation pipelines. It might be better to make seperate articles for each of them. If there are maps for each of the pipelines, then the Category:Natural Gas Pipelines could become an incredible resource. --Ignignot 14:30, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

OK, you tell me how you want to break it down, because I really have no idea how the heirarchy of the whole thing works... Maybe give me a list of articles, and which pipelines should be highlighted in the map for that article, then I can output them that way. --DarrenBaker 15:15, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

For right now I would just take whatever maps you have, and then for each of the pipes on the map look to see if I have an article for them. The only other pipeline where I have "combined" several pipes into a single article is in Kinder Morgan Interstate. Other than TransCanada it should be pretty obvious. NGPL is Natural Gas Pipeline Company of America. PGT is Gas Transmission Northwest, CNG is Dominion Transmission, M&NE is Maritimes and Northeast Pipeline and I don't have articles up yet for TQ&M or PNGTS. I asked another researcher with more experience and he says he considers TransCanada to all be one pipe (TransCanada, TransCanada Alberta, TransCanada BC (previously called ANG/Foothills), and Foothills). Not sure what other pipes you might have, but when they aren't obvious just ask. --Ignignot 16:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Hrmm... I cannot for the life of me find a general map of US pipelines with descriptions. All I have is that one you sent, and it's just too complex and undefined to use. Surely there must be more out there! I'm all googled out. --DarrenBaker 19:02, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Right now just use the ones on the NEB page. see page 2 or 3. The problem with the US pipes is that, no, they don't have a good map with all of them on it. That's part of the point of doing it on wikipedia. Many of the pipes DO have a section of their EBBs labeled "system map" but many are blank or merely symbolic. I do have a few non free sources that I can use but I don't know how copyright works if I create a derivative work of someone else's pipeline map that they charge for, so I have stayed away from that. --Ignignot 19:19, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Over this weekend I'll spend some time making that list of pipes with the associated link for a map. Some of the pipes won't have maps or will have very poor maps, unfortunately. --Ignignot 22:13, 21 December 2005 (UTC) p.s. Looks like you're becoming the "map guy" ;-)

Sounds like a good Christmas! Yeah, but I dig maps, so whatcha gonna do? ;) --DarrenBaker 23:23, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Merry Christmas! Here's that list I was talking about. User:Ignignot/Natural_Gas_Pipeline_Maps - I listed what map I could find for each pipeline, and then gave a rating for the quality. Highest quality maps have the pipeline and other pipelines that connect to it, good or high quality are accurate maps of the pipeline itself, OK quality is a usable map that may be slightly inaccurate, and poor quality... well poor quality is just a terrible map. I'd stay away from those for now. --Ignignot 21:55, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

I added in a note for each of the pipes that are on the NEB map I linked before. It is a little out of date for El Paso but otherwise it seems accurate. I'll add a note on the User:Ignignot/Natural_Gas_Pipeline_Maps page for the pipelines that can be found on the NEB site. --Ignignot 14:35, 27 December 2005 (UTC)