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[edit] Osama bin Laden

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[edit] Failed GA

I failed the GA nom for your article 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness. It needs MAJOR work before being re-submitted. Please read my comments on the article's talk page. (Ghostexorcist 22:06, 14 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] No original research

Hi David, are you aware of the no original research policy? I can see much of your Indo/Aust article is referenced, but I suspect there is a bit of OR creeping in there too. regards Merbabu 05:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Third Opinion on pics

Hi David, a few issues with your flagging of a 'dispute' with me. Firstly, before you posted on that third opinion board, i had only removed the images once (reasoning now provided on article talk page). This was after another editor removed the first, and they somehow got reinstated (by yourself?). He has now removed them twice. I had though initially resized them from their previous oversized state. I have since removed them again but this was before i noticed your lodgement of a disagreement. The disagreement lodgement that names me is particularly poor form (in my opinion) for a couple of reasons: firstly, it's hardly a huge issue - I've removed a change once - this happens ALL the time on wikipedia. You need to get used to this like the rest of us. Secondly, you nominated WAY too early - you didn't provide long enough opportunity to reply to the talk page message, you didn't read the edit summary by the other removing editor, and if you are going to take it somewhere else (which is reasonably serious) you should at least notify the editor. And you already have a third opinion. Two editors have now removed it, while only yourself has put it back (which reminds me, please check WP:3RR. Escalating minor reversals so soon to third parties was way to premature. Give talk pages and messages a chance first. regards Merbabu 05:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summaries and other...

David, it seems you may not know about how to use the edit summaries. Firstly, please provide one (in the box above the 'Save page' button). This will let people know of your intentions. Also, please read the edit summaries of other people - it seems you are missing things people are saying (just click on the 'history' tab next to the 'edit this page' tab and you'll see a list of all the previous versions and any edit summaries). Oh, on another issue, just be a little bit more careful not too break reference coding. A few edits like this one [1] you've seperated the code, (it's a small mistake but it can really up how the article appears [2]). cheers Merbabu 05:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

You've reverted a number of improvements and fixes to errors that you had introduced with the reference coding. [3] Furthermore you have given no reasons for doing so in the edit summarries. Please familiarise yourself with basic obligations of wikipedia editors. thanks --Merbabu 11:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

Please chose and fill in an appropriate citation template for each of your references. See: [4]. I'll try to format a few myself over the next few days. Any problems feel free to ask. Also, when citing large documents or web pages, please provide a specific page reference or section header - otherwise, it can be almost impossible to find the specific reference within many pages of information. Cheers Merbabu 03:39, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your wish list

Australian Regional Rivalries already exists - please look very closely before creating new articles - there are a number of ways of checking whether an area of interest already exists - some editors take the existence of parallel universes (ie similar articles created when there are already articles very close in title or sense) on wikipedia very seriously and as being sitting ducks for speedy deletions - no discussions and bang..Satu Suro 13:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] hello

thank you for your contributions on Islam and slavery and Muhammad's slaves. the problem with your insertions, which have resulted in their removal, is the fact that they constitute original research. by this, we mean that you have looked at the primary sources and have made assertions based upon how you interpret them. this is, as you may realise, something we cannot do, because everybody has their own interpretations and understandings of the same passages. this is why whatever we write must be referenced to secondary sources, such as academic books and papers discussing the issue. wikipedians aren't supposed to be theologians, historians, scientists or anything like that, we are simply supposed to regurgitate what academic, scholarly literature says on the topic. the intent of this comment is hopefully to leave you with a better understanding of how wikipedia works. you may wish to see WP:LOP to take a look at our main content policies. thanks. ITAQALLAH 15:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't be discouraged that most of your edits haven't stuck so far. Let me know if you need any help. Arrow740 00:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to do an overhaul of the slavery one pretty soon. You can help me with it by finding sources which discuss the aspects of slavery in Islam which aren't currently being represented. Arrow740 02:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sukarno's speeches

In line with the comments above about the slavery articles, I'm questioning your edits saying that Sukarno on anti-colonialism implied opposition to Australian prescence in New Guinea [5] Is this original research, or can you provide a reference for Sukarno intending to mean Australia? thanks Merbabu 23:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Muhammad's slaves

[edit] Muhammed's attitude to slavery

Main articles: Islam and slavery and Ma malakat aymanukum

Slavery practise in Arabia predated Muhammed. He used his influence as a ruler of the muslim community to adapt and regulate it under the system of shariah. His established norms encompassed condemning the mistreatment for well-behaved slaves, admonishing masters to regard slaves as their brothers, and providing means for slaves to ascend to the status of 'clients' (mawali) either as expiation for the master's sins or pursuant to the terms of mukataba.^[1]^[2]

Muhammed's conduct as a master of slaves incorporated concubinage with some of his female slaves and the management and ownership of a varying numbers of other slaves, some of which were given to him, some acquired through trades, and others acquired as a result of ghazwah (raids). It is also conceivable that he stood to inherit slaves from his first wife Khadijah.

In his practise of and statements concerning both slavery and concubinage, and his dealings with former slaves and the slaves of others (see Bilal), he observed the rule of respect and liberality. He is known to have adopted at least one slave (Zayd) that he befriended and freed.^[3] As in the case of Marwan, however, that did not preclude that his slaves might be pressed more strenously than the majority of other slaves in a similar circumstance.

The social structure of islam, levy (reuben). Cambridge University Press 1969 Professor of Persian in the University of Cambridge Being the 2nd edition of the sociology of islam p.73 - 4' a class of human beings that has formed an integral part of Muslim society up to the present day is that of the slaves. Muhammed took over the slavery system, upon which ancient society was based, seemingly without question and regarding it as part of the natural order of the universe. His injuctions recommending humane treatment of slaves and making it a meritorious act to emancipate them indicate that he intended some amelioration of their condition, but neither from the Koran nor from the 'Traditions' is it possible to infer that the abolition of slavery was intended .. it is nevertheless a fact that as [Islam] grew older, the stigma attaching to the status of the slave gradually disappeared.

In certain circumstances some slaves had opportunities for acquiring wealth and opwer even great than those that were within the reach of free men.

the mamluk sultans of Egypt

p.75 Before Muhammad's regime, slaves were by origin either prisoners taken in war or in raids into hostile territory, or else the offspring of slaves. It was still possible for Arabs to enslave their countrymen by capture in war or to recoup themselves for a debt.

By the Islamic legists the theory was evolved that all men were free except such as acknowledge themselves slaves or could be proved on good evidence to be slaves. Quite early in the history of the faith the principle was established that there was to be no taking of captives from amongst Muslims and no enslavement of Muslim Arabs, although the Quran does not say so Muhammed recognised restrictions on the master's right of concubinage with maidservant slaves. For example, muslims required permission from their spouse(s) to co-habit with slaves owned by such a spouse.^[4] They could not exercise the right of concubinage over co-owned slaves without the agreement of the other owners. He otherwise recognised no limits on slave concubinage practise except those that generally applied to marriage and sexual relations such as not having intimate relations concurrently with two sisters.^[4]^[5]

Muhammad categorised slaves mothering children by their masters as "Umm Walad" (lit. Mother of a child). Umm Walad could not be sold and took freedom upon the death of the master. Their children were free from birth by virtue of the father's free status.

Muhammed always affirmed the notion that the children of two slave parents are born into slavery.

[edit] Autosodomy

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Did this article just get deleted and did you recreate it? Liberal Classic 07:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] using preview

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. However, it is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Thanks again. ITAQALLAH 17:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 27 February 2007

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[edit] Mike Gravel presidential campaign, 2008

Has anyone told you how to use a sandbox at all? repeated edits on a single article in normal wikispace do create a few issues with some editors and others Also all edits - regardless of where or how you do them are there forever - well worth thinking about what you are doing.... cheers Satu Suro 14:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No original research - a further reminder

David, re Australia-Indonesia relations you have continually inserted unsourced remarks about Indonesia failing to provide aid to AUstralia even though Australia provides aid to Indonesia. I'm not going to bother explaining why this is an absurb comparison - it's in my edit summaries and the article talk page anyway - except to say that it violates WP:OR, one of only 2 or 3 fundamental wikipedia policies. Specifically, have a look at this section. Your additional linking of aid to terrorism and security issues is also absurd and 100% original research and/or your own commentary. I'm sure you agree with your 'legal background', that this is not really very difficult stuff. Sorry for being blunt but it has come up a number of times. If you insist on the edits, i will need to refer your actions it to an administrator. Merbabu 07:23, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Gravel articles

Please look at how other articles for 2008 presidential candidates are structured and named. I'm only trying to bring the Gravel articles in alignment with them. For example, see Political views of Hillary Rodham Clinton, Political views of Barack Obama, Political views of Rudy Giuliani, etc. Gravel is a legitimate if little-known candidate, and we need to treat him the same as others. Wasted Time R 12:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blunder

Congratulations, by foolishly moving the new article you've gotten it nominated for immediate deletion. Wasted Time R 12:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] License tagging for Image:Wiki2aaa.jpg

[edit] Osama bin Laden

[edit] Failed GA

[edit] No original research

[edit] Third Opinion on pics

[edit] Edit summaries and other...

[edit] Citations

[edit] Your wish list

[edit] License tagging for Image:106.jpg

[edit] hello

[edit] Sukarno's speeches

[edit] Muhammad's slaves

[edit] Muhammed's attitude to slavery

[edit] Autosodomy

[edit] using preview

[edit] 27 February 2007

[edit] Unspecified source for Image:GravelNPC.jpg

[edit] Image tagging for Image:GRAVELBUMP.gif

[edit] Mike Gravel presidential campaign, 2008

[edit] No original research - a further reminder

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[edit] Gravel articles

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