Talk:Delbarton School
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[edit] Unnecessary Information
This page has been filled with unnecessary and unsourced opinions. Please keep the page clear of biased statements. Wikipedia is a site for encyclopedic information only. NJDevilsFan22 18:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC) I partially agree to this. Some UNNECESSARY, RUDE, HORRIBLE opinions have been posted about this school. Please refrain from making useless and annoying comments. Anonymous P.S. Positive comments about this school should be correct and factual, too.
I deleted the section called Accusations. Outside of an alumnus being involved, I see no relation to the history of the Delbarton School, let alone a reason for an entire section to be devoted this issue.
[edit] Ned Eng?
Someone added that some guy named Ned Eng, apparently a pro skateboarder in an adio skate video, went to Delbarton. If he is a real person, why does googling him not bring up anything?
- I don't think there's anything wrong in putting in a "famous" grad who acts in a commercial who is otherwise unknown. I agree with your implied criticism that there probably should be no article named "Ned Eng"! Student7 02:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Robert Tappan Morris
This fellow, for having invented the computer virus seems more notorious, than famous. I think you should have a new category or mentioned he served time for his felony. Student7 02:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] History
One of the facts from ancient times that seems to have been lost is the fact that "German" nuns worked in the kitchen at the mansion, cooking for students, 3 meals a day during the 40s. There was a secluded convent down the road from the Abbey where they lived. They were very amiable and friendly, and doubtless provided some maternal oversight for the boys who were there for the first time and homesick.
The boarding school was quite useful during WWII when gas was at a premium (rationed,actually). People couldn't have driven their boys there every day had they wanted to!
The first gym burnt in 1946 or so, the result of arson by one of the boys, as I recall. The Record should have uh, a record of that.
In the 1970s, the Morristown Record reported that a Bernini was discovered next to the mansion. It had been standing there since the Luther Kountze put it there. No one had any idea of its value before that!
There was a lake next to the road known as the "old lake." Presumable the "new" lake was constructed for the school when purchased by the Benedictines. Boy scouts from the area had an annual campout up the hill from that lake.
The Kountze mansion had Italian gardens out back, which are still there I imagine. However, the monks were able to keep them up to the original standard with labor furnished by brothers back when brothers were available for such tasks. When the brothers stopped, the gardens could no longer be maintained to that high standard.
As the school expanded, they needed space for a chemistry laboratory. They took over an old chapel that was near the Jockey Hollow Road exit. Students were driven there in a car or cars.
Continuing the 1900s rich Americans experiment with agriculture, the Abbey/School attempted to keep up their own milk production. The milk was used both at the school and the Abbey. Of course, it was most likely unpasturized! They also had some nice orchards which produced all sorts of fruit, though apples were in abundance.
When the school was small enough, graduation exercises took place in the Italian Gardens, weather permitting. I can't quote from anything except memory because I have no written information. I hope someone else can.Student7 02:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
A lot of the history section is not needed. Wikipedia is for factual and encyclopedic information. "Aimiable and friendly" are adjectives that would not be seen on wikipedia. Also, the history section that was added is inaccurate. It has already been stated that it was formerly the Kountze estate. It was not an agricultural "model", it was simply an estate with a small farm; not uncommon, and not noteworthy. This is not an example of a Vanderbilt Mansion. The Vanderbilts were a family, not architects or builders. In fact, the homes that they had built for them were designed in all different styles by different architects. As for the Bernini statue, Delbarton owns a famous statue, not necessarily the statue that you are describing, that has been moved to the MOMA in New York on loan. However, this is not documented. NJDevilsFan22 06:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe there should be a separate Kountze estate since part of it became the National Park.
- As far as the statue goes, the Record did mention only one statue which seems to agree with your statement and my recollection. The prestigious JSTOR[jstor.org], which footnote you deleted, mentioned two. They could be wrong of course, but their weight as a reference is far beyond anything else so far in this article. Do you have a reference for your claim besides the Morristown Record?
- Confining Delbarton history to the last few years in sports seems to trivialize the place. I presume that is not your intent.Student7 00:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Basketball deletions
Someone deleted basketball stars from the list citing "Wikipedia Standards." I suggest adding them back, if these people exist and if you can cite a reference instead of memory. Generally when someone cites "Wikipedia Standards," without citing a specific reference, and without helping to take the same information and improve the article to the so-called standard that they are supposely following, that they are just making it up! I won't try to guess their motivation because that would not be charitable! IMO if the players cited are real people, I think they should be mentioned for their prominence in school athletic history.Student7 12:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
If the players are distinguished enough, they should go under famous alumni, as Troy Murphy does. Otherwise the article would grow to ridiculous lengths with everybody's favorite sports memory. If a player is a Division I athlete, it's probably fair to add him under the alumni section. The athletics section should be focused on team accomplishments and, possibly, coaches, as you can see from the other sports. We should list every year the basketball team won the county tournament. Jyardley 16:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- Sounds reasonable.Student7 17:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Gold Standard for High School articles?
Just went looking for a Wikipedia article that is highly rated for high schools. There weren't many! Anyway, one is Stuyvesant High School in NYC. They are a huge school. Nevertheless, maybe we can get some ideas from it.
It shows a lot of work. They have gobs of footnotes. They aren't perfect. Their first footnote refers to the "prestigious" universities their students go to. This is not substantiated by their reference. Sounds POV to me, but I wasn't about to mess with one of the few FA articles on schools in the world!
Another article is Hopkins School. They are smaller. Incredibly old. They have a tiny athletics subarticle. They discuss cost which seems reasonable. (The cost doesn't seem reasonable! The discussion seems reasonable!) Not a lot of footnotes.
The last is Plano Senior High School, another large scbool. Like most Texas schools, they are big on sports. Data is well organized and presented. Lots of footnotes again.
All have histories.
See what you think. More than one of you! Student7 00:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
