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[edit] Template:Mitsubishi Motors vehicles

hello delarge

you have twice linked mitsubishi engines in the mitsu template like 4G5x and Astron family. They are the same.--194.165.122.1 21:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I know ~ that's why 4G5x and Astron (and the others) link to the same pages. If you check the history of the article, you'll see I inserted the extra links on 14:39, 6 July 2006 so that people who only know the alphanumeric codes can still navigate using the template, as explained in my edit summary. -- DeLarge 22:23, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mitsubishi's new engines

delarge there are new engine family's that mitsubishi recently developed 4B1-type (4b12 is the new 2.4 DOHC MIVEC for the new outlander, upcoming 4B11 DOHC MIVEC (which replaces 4g63) is for the new lancer ralliart and evo-x 4B11T and 4A9-type DOHC MIVEC which powers euro spec colt 1.3 and 1.5 liter

"Mitsubishi Motors began revamping its car engine lineup in 2004 to a common theme of high performance, low fuel consumption, low weight, and compact size. The new 3-liter V6 MIVEC engine powering the North American Outlander is the fourth new engine in this theme, following the 4A9-type 4-cylinder 1.3 and 1.5-liter units that power the European Colt launched in May 2004 (and the Japanese Colt from October 2004), the 4B1-type 4-cylinder 2.4-liter unit that powers the Japanese Outlander launched in October 2005 and the 3B2-type 3-cylinder 660cc engine that powers the i minicar launched in Japan in January this year."[1]

when you get around to it..... --193.95.238.82 22:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, that ties in with other info I have (The Mitsubishi i has a 3B20 three cylinder). I wonder what the 'B' stands for, now that they're no longer denoting the fuel type with that letter...? -- DeLarge 22:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

B stands for next generaration i guess but the A in 4A9 could also stand next gen, maybe mitsu is naming new engine familys in alphabetical order 4A9,4B1, who knows--193.95.218.254 20:48, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I know that they'd already used the 'A' code in a couple of engines, and it referred to an alloy cylinder head, but only as long as the entire range had such a design. 4A9x is a new one for me as well. That's more engine pages I'll have to create. -- DeLarge 11:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Done - created pages for Mitsubishi 4B engine and Mitsubishi 4B1x engine (both redirect to Mitsubishi GEMA engines). --DeLarge 17:10, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mitsubishi i

On 11 August 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mitsubishi i, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

A very nice expansion. It's on the main page for DYK now. Thanks for the contribution! --Samir धर्म 06:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New GEMA V6 family of engines

http://www.autospies.com/images/users/Agent001/IMG_8974.jpg the new 3.0l SOHC MIVEC that will power the new outlander has a 6B31 engine code. a new engine family for you to create lol

more info here http://media.mitsubishicars.com/detail?mid=MIT2006041224953&mime=ASC

more mitsubishi info http://www.autospies.com/news/EXCLUSIVE-Spies-scoop-confidential-marketing-pitch-for-the-2007-Mitsubishi-Outlander-7865/

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.210.231.250 (talk • contribs) 20:39, August 23, 2006.

Dang, this GEMA business is generating a lot of new info. I'll create a Mitsubishi GEMA engines page that covers all the different versions, and a page for each individual family as per the current WP standard. New redlinks now added to the MMC template for now... --DeLarge 21:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Done - created page for Mitsubishi 6B engine (redirects to Mitsubishi GEMA engines). --DeLarge 17:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm struggling to find further references to support the original post, i.e. that the V6 is directly related to the GEMA family. Should the info not just be moved to the Mitsubishi 6B engine page and the redirect removed? --DeLarge 21:17, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

i think you're right. gema only makes 4cylinders, i agree, move the 6b31 to 6b page.... --195.210.217.225 10:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Airtrek should be merged with Outlander

outlander is the global name, airtrek is only used in japan the airtrek article is also redundant because outlander article has much more information--195.210.244.182 13:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I've been thinking about this for a while. However, WP's proposed convention on naming car articles prefers redirecting to the name used in the home market. Currently, it's a bit complicated for MMC vehicles; the Mitsubishi GTO now follows this convention, but the Mitsubishi Galant Lambda does not (it redirects to Mitsubishi Sapporo).

In favour of Airtrek redirecting, I think Outlander is the name almost everywhere. However, the fact that Airtrek existed for a couple of years before Outlander arrived makes me want to give priority to the Japan market name. Decisions, decisions... I'll probably redirect to Outlander, simply because all the info's already there and it would therefore involve fewer changes. --DeLarge 17:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't know why I have your talk page on my watchlist, but since I've seen you discussing that, I'd like to say that it would be better to stick to the standards - i.e. home market name. I would ask an admin to help with the merger so that the resulting article would bear the Aitrek name. Regards, Bravada, talk - 17:30, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

This is getting complicated. I'd agree with what you're saying about the Airtrek in principle. However, according to this link to a Japan-based personal import company, the Airtrek may have been superseded in its home market, as only the Outlander is offered new (the same company offers only the Airtrek in their used models section). Also, there's no Airtrek listed on Mitsubishi's model lineup page. Recent edits by User:24.13.203.76 to both pages suggest the two exist in parallel in Japan, but I can't find evidence to corroborate that, unless all he's referring to are dealer stocks (as opposed to actual current factory production). --DeLarge 10:03, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, according to the Japanese Mitsu site [2] (which, I believe, is more trustworthy), the new-gen car is indeed called Outlander in Japan too. The Airtrek does not seem to be sold in paralel (unless I missed something). If so, it might make sense to call the article Outlander. Cheers, Bravada, talk - 11:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

yes, even the new generation is called outlander in japan, airtrek should be merged, you should only add "1st generation outlander was marketed in japan as Airtrek", as the airtrek article has no important info,--195.210.227.21 12:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] is this guy serious?

Evolution 0? [3] --195.210.227.21 13:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Haha, that was actually quite amusing, but now deleted by this self-appointed Mitsupedia Nazi. Let's see if it reappears... --DeLarge 13:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mitsubishi-related articles

there are many mitsu related articles laying around.

i already added super active yaw control (AYC) to the main page, it needs a brief description.

found some more: [4] [5]

main page needs a mitsu technology category:

some pages should be created, like INVECS (Adaptive automatic transmission, learns driving style, adjusts for road conditions), TCL (world first Traction ControL system) percursor to the modern stability control systems

all info can be found here with links to source articles (scroll down) [6] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.77.132.203 (talk • contribs) 23:06, September 1, 2006.

I thought traction control was a Bosch innovation (see here (p.2)). The INVECS system is heavily based on/licenced from Porsche, although I remember a car journalist called L. J. K. Setright saying that the Tiptronic is actually full of Mitsubishi patented technology. Never been able to verify it, though.

Still, there's the "Silent Shaft" system, the Mitsubishi Minica's five valve-per-cylinder engine, and the '92 Lancer MX's 1.6L mass-produced V6. --DeLarge 00:02, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I knew about the dumb Carisma GT page, which may even be a sub page of the Lancer; depends how WP handles the slash in the title. It needs deleted and any useful info moved the the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution page. And the Lancer WRC04 page needs renaming. I'll add them to the Mitsubishi vehicles categories and get around to them eventually. --DeLarge 00:02, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

no, bosch created the electronic stability control not traction control 2 different but simmilar things http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traction_control http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Stability_Control --193.95.237.10 10:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, from their respective websites:

"Technologically this decade saw incredible advances. In 1990 MMC introduced the world's first Traction Control System..." (Mitsubishi-Cars.co.uk), but
"On the basis of ABS, Bosch brought the first traction control system (TCS) for motor cars to mass production in 1986" (Bosche.de, p.2, where they also make a separate claim for the first electronic stability program). That's also backed up by Wikipedia itself; see List of automotive superlatives.

I think what Mitsubishi is claiming is that 4WD/4WS/ABS/TCL was the first integration of various elements into a complete system for traction control, but the first actual TC was Bosch's.

[edit] gema article need more facts

hello delarge

read this http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=225886&page=1

hehe google has indexed the gema page that you created, and i then added the 4b11t and then guys at evom found it lol

the thing is that gema article Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance needs more info

the article states that gema makes the 2.4 liter for mitsubishi (someone allready corrected that) and is full with inaccuracy's

my response (user gnusmas) http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=225886&page=2

this is my response 1. gema engines only share the engine block, general design (all alloy, variable valve timing) and production related stuff to water down the cost of making them 2. mitsubishi has a newly built state of the art gema engine factory in Shiga, Japan, hyundai has one in korea, chrysler 2 in michigan 3. all mitsubishi's gema engines will be built by japanese workers with japanese engineers in Shiga, Japan 4. only mitsubishi's gema engines have Mivec and other mitsu techology, hyundai has it's own variable valve tehnology, as does chrysler

various press releases from mitsu and chrysler are my sources

there is a press release regarding shiga factory at mitsu's global site, i just can't seem to find it at the moment

i think Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance article and Mitsubishi_GEMA_engines need more clarification (like the part that mercede's valve timing techology is used in all gema engines, when in fact only in chrysler's)

and the part about purchasing gema engines i don't understand

the thing is, as i said mitsu is producing their gema engines in shiga they are not buying them but producing them, maybe mitsu is broke to make it's own engines lol

and there are still debates with the new shared platform that mitsu and chrysler co-developed

some idiots are writing that chrysler developed it and so on and that evo x will be based on dodge caliber lol, morons

they think platforms form the chassis, and the suspension system, idiots that's not what the platforms are about

platforms are about location of various things ( like door handles), and the car's layout (front mounted engine, forward wheel drive....) and safety structure.... so the platform article need clarification also

man this message is long lol (edit it if you want), tell me what you think?

and sorry about my english, im from southern europe

cheers

gnusmas --193.95.239.228 23:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Mitsubishi Delica

Hi! This may be a long shot but, inview of your knowledgable input about Mitsubishi, I'm hoping you can answer a question that I have been asked? IE: How many Delicas, both L300 and L400 models have been produced in the various years since it was first produced? NB: I Have owned two L400's:- No1 & No2. Richard Harvey 13:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

No clue, I'm afraid, especially for such a long-lasting model. Best bet would probably be to contact Mitsubishi directly, although I have little idea how responsive their PR department would be. A .pdf detailing recent production is availabe on their global site,[[7] but may not offer exactly what you need. Also, I might suggest contacting their South African division; I found production stats for the Galant on their site and nowhere else,[8] so it might be that one of their staff down there is sufficiently interested in that kind of trivia to be a useful contact. --DeLarge 16:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mitsubishi Pajero 2.5 Million units sold

mitsu sold 2.5 million pajeros since 1982.[9] add it to best selling nameplates....cheers --193.77.132.133 17:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] E39A 6th Generation Mitsubishi Galant VR-4

I would like some input on expanding the 6th Generation E39A Galant VR-4 section. Another notable omission is that of the four wheel steering (4WS) similar to the 3000GT VR-4. Notably highlighting trim/build differences in the USDM version, different bumper, different headlights, lack of hood vents, different intercooler. including the inclusion of numbered badges affixed to the dash, and matching numbered key fobs. Available in only four colors. Another interesting tidbit is cruise control on a manual transmission.

Is there any information that we can offer from GalantVR4.org? There are a ton of original scans and technical info, including 3D cutaway views of the WRC Rally Galant VR-4. The E39a 6th generation just about needs its own sub-page.

Interesting piece of info came up in a thread regarding the origin of the Mitsubishi "Evolution". There has been a long running debate regarding the Galant VR-4 being called unofficially the Evo-Zero which has now become the Pre-Evo. This came from rumors that a version of the Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 was produced with the "Evolution" title. One of our users offered the following information in a post. It contains a quote from published literature.

Mitsubishi did officially produce a limited run of 500 'VR4 evolution' cars for public consumption in 1991-1992. Basically it came with all the RS goodies (16g, 510cc injectors, 4-bolt LSD etc.), but also all the luxuries (climate control, power windows etc.). You could say this was the first GSR-spec evolution. A lot of these cars have ended up in Aus/NZ it seems .....

Another piece of evidence, if you like, quoted from 'You and your Mitsubishi Evo' by Andy Butler (pg 13-14):

"....and then on the Greek acropolis rally the Galant VR-4 evolution appeared on the scene. This car boasted more power to test its more competent chassis, producing over 300BHP from its 4 cylinder, 16-valve motor. Easy to spot as the 'cooking' version, the Galant VR-4 evolution gained a bigger intercooler as well as a louvered bonnet....."

If possible could alternate English units for the statistics on the page be included in parentheses?

BTW, Excellent job on your whole Mitsubishi section. First rate job!!!

S firestone 02:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mitsubishi articles

Maybe we could try to work together on these articles rather than revert eachother. - Diceman 11:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm quite happy to work together - I disagreed with the necessity of mentioning the 380 in the maintext of the Mitsubishi Galant article after it was moved to the "related" field of the appropriate generation infobox - it has its own dedicated article and is therefore not just treated as a rebadged Galant (unlike the Grunder and 240M). However, after you restored it, I left well alone.

The Magna photo, however, did not need mirroring. There's no rule saying all car photos need to have the vehicle pointing the same way - that's a bizarre personal preference and there's no need for such an edit, especially since two of the photos are replaceable fair use or copyright and therefore inappropriate for WP (and I'm removing them just now). Why not get free alternative images to replace them? That'd help the article more. --DeLarge 11:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

"Bizarre" is your personal opinion. I only reverted your reversion due to no reason being given in your edit summary. On the subject of the current trend of tagging any image not created by a wikipedia user for deletion, some of those photos may not be replaced for a very long while or not at all (especially in the case of rare items). - Diceman 06:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

First, with regards to my edit summaries, I find your comment a little disingenuous considering that your edit summary consisted merely of the word "link". My edit summary did make clear that the edit was a reversion.

I agree that it may take time to replace fair use images of rare cars. But are you claiming the Magna was rare? What's worse is that the photo is of an American Diamante, not a Australian Magna. Unless you think that the two cars are interchangeable, and therefore that Mitsubishi Magna should be merged and redirected to Mitsubishi Diamante, the fair use claim fails on that as well. Frankly I don't even think the 3rd gen photo (another U.S. Diamante) should stay, but that at least is a Commons image so I left it for now.

If you genuinely think the article needs images that badly, what's to stop you taking photos yourself? Alternatively you could leave a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Requested images. Or, following the recommendations of User:SteveBaker (see talk:WikiProject Automobiles/Archive 4#Car brochures as fair use images WikiProject Automobiles), you may wish to contact an eBay seller or online owners' club and requesting permission to use their photos. We managed to get this rather excellent photo of an AMC Matador that way.

The photo of the VRX was a blatant copyvio, with the user who uploaded it dishonestly claiming it was a self-taken image in the public domain. Ten seconds of Googling uncovered the source at an Australian online motoring magazine, so that should unarguably be removed and deleted. --DeLarge 13:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mitsubishi Delica production figures

Thanks for the information. Excellent! Richard Harvey 09:02, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mitsubishi i

I haven't really worked on GA/FA (or even DYK) at all, but what's there does look pretty well written and well referenced. A minor nitpick, ==External links== usually goes below ==References==/==Footnotes==. --Interiot 16:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 6million lancers sold

hi delarge

check this out official presentation

http://www.autospies.com/news/photo.aspx?photoId=16788&galleryId=842

http://www.autospies.com/news/Spies-give-you-an-early-preview-of-the-next-Mitsubishi-EVO-12186/

remeber when i gave you the link to autospyes for the engine code of 6b31 3.0 v6

i thought the galant was thebest selling mitsu nameplate? mhm..

cheers :) gnusmas --195.210.209.95 09:39, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh well, the Galant claim was referenced, but in retrospect it could be ambiguous; bestseller in America? Bestseller annually or cumulatively?

I'll try and get a better source to corroborate this, since I don't like just linking to a photo of a slide, even if it is official MMNA stuff. I'll also try to verify production numbers of the Minica; I won't make any bold claims for the Lancer until I know that. --DeLarge 12:19, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

here you go, a video source, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3536599999593053730, cheers "--195.210.231.251 21:55, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I added the sales figures to Mitsubishi Lancer, although with the current anti-Google Video/YouTube campaign I'll leave it as uncited. Given that there's no other refs in the article I think it's unlikely to be challenged. --DeLarge 10:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

here you go, http://www.allnewlancer.ca/, canadian lancer site, .pdf specifications (go to specs, click on download .pdf, but copy the direct link to the file for "best selling nameplates") its on the 2.page, keep up the good work, cheers, --193.95.236.216 21:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Well done -- that's perfect. Citation now added. --DeLarge 22:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

no problem, how about adding lancer to best selling nameplates? it's official (comulative global sales exceed 6million)--193.2.122.8 11:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Could do. I want to split the page up, though -- there's far too many cars on there now that aren't really "bestsellers", and it's becoming a bit difficult to navigate. Still, it would qualify as the bestselling Mitsubishi on the list. --DeLarge 11:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] S-AWC

hi delarge, we should also create S-AWC article and adding AYC and ASC to mitsu technologies, S-AWC (super all wheel control) = ACD (active center differential, need to create article) + AYC (active yaw control, article already exists) + ASC (active skid control, need to create).

here is a good source, http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/features/technology.asp and for AYC and ACD (http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/features/ayc.asp), ill try to find more links, when you get around to it, and i hope some day mitsubishi motors article gets "featured article" status, cheers :)--195.210.209.218 15:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Mitsubishi Motors will get there in the end. I still want to make sure that the underlying structure of all the supporting articles is up to scratch as well (see my mooted revised layout at User:DeLarge/Mitsubishi), so I'll need to improve MMAL dramatically, and also finish writing the two daughter articles about the DCX debaclé and the recall cover-up. Hopefully I can get that done by April, just in time to update the page with the fiscal 2006 data.

I've been ambivalent about creating too many pages about MMC tech; there's a risk of having stubs which could really be better served by redirects to more generic pages. I think S-AWC might end up being such a page, but we'll see. I was going to do one about their MVV lean burn tech, but couldn't find sufficient resources to justify a dedicated article. I'll just need to revise the lean burn page instead to reflect MMC's work, as I did with gasoline direct injection and balance shaft. It currently reads like Honda was the only company doing stuff like that in the early 1990s. --DeLarge 23:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

For research, there's a lot of detailed stuff on the global site. Just go to Google and type "<name of tech> site:mitsubishi-motors.com", and plenty of stuff is unearthed. That's how I built up the Super Select and INVECS pages.

well here's some info on MVV Mitsubishi Vertical Vortex, http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.za/featuresites/mm_history/GDI.asp , and more importantly (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3165/is_n9_v27/ai_11321093) 2 pages, i agree you should revise the lean burn article to include MMV, and add a redirect to that article in mitsubishi technologies....--193.95.237.164 17:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I saw that Ward's article a while back. It's a good source -- about the best I could find as well -- but I think it's probably better just to work on lean burn instead of trying to spread different lean burn pages too thinly. I've created a redirect at Mitsubishi Vertical Vortex with a category entry (which populates Category:Mitsubishi technologies), and I'll disambiguate MVV later. I think that's probably best. --DeLarge 23:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New mitsubishi's 1.0 liter engine that redesigned smart four two uses

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mitsubishi_i#The_Smart_Connection.3F

there is a 1.0 liter engine which isnt listed in mitsubishi engined family unfortunetly, i dont know the designtion and other specifications....

maybe chrysler has listed the engine code in their press release.... have you heard about it?

cheers, --193.2.122.8 09:08, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] use this page

alot of info, reliable source btw, please fix my edits in 4g9x engines article, tx

have you heard about this "In addition to the base MIVEC principle, Mitsubishi also released a sophisticated MIVEC-MD (Modular Displacement) system in the ‘90s.

The MD system is an early form of cylinder deactivation which involves closing the intake and exhaust valves at light engine load. This means the driver must open the throttle further to maintain power and, as a result, pumping losses are reduced and active cylinder pressures are increased. This results in greater efficiency and fuel economy.

Depending on conditions, the MIVEC-MD system can reduce fuel consumption by 10 – 20 percent."

cheers --193.77.134.70 17:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Sonofagun. That's the first time I've ever seen a Mitsubishi engine family referred to the way we do on WP (with the x at the end). I always thought it was a horrible naming convention, but here it is externally verified. Oh well... Mind you, July 2006? If that journo reads WP, maybe he copied us? Argh.

I'd heard of MIVEC-MD, but couldn't have said much about it. I'll have a read through the links and see what can be added to the MIVEC page. --DeLarge 20:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] more work i'm afraid :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mitsubishi_4B_engine#I_reccomend_enaming_to_4b1x

check my previous edits... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/195.210.209.242 and also this (i used a public pc) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/193.2.122.8

cheers --195.210.209.242 15:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

ok, i finally registered, just to let you know, keep up the good work delarge, i've been following you from the start :-D --MitsuFreak 19:14, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Just to double check... without divulging too much, is Mitsufreak your first registered ID? I thought you'd been around last year? --DeLarge 20:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

it's my second, lol, first was gnusmas7 :) --MitsuFreak 22:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Template:Mitsubishi Motors vehicles

[edit] Mitsubishi's new engines

[edit] Mitsubishi i

[edit] New GEMA V6 family of engines

[edit] Airtrek should be merged with Outlander

[edit] is this guy serious?

[edit] Mitsubishi-related articles

[edit] gema article need more facts

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[edit] Mitsubishi Delica

[edit] Mitsubishi Pajero 2.5 Million units sold

[edit] E39A 6th Generation Mitsubishi Galant VR-4

[edit] Mitsubishi articles

[edit] Mitsubishi Delica production figures

[edit] Mitsubishi i

[edit] 6million lancers sold

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[edit] S-AWC

[edit] New mitsubishi's 1.0 liter engine that redesigned smart four two uses

[edit] use this page

[edit] more work i'm afraid :)

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