Talk:Demographics of Ukraine

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Russian-speaking Ukrainians are named "Russoukrainians".

No they are not. There is not such term (except for this page) --Compay 12:00, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

What is the difference between Romanian minority and Moldovan minority ? They are separated in the statistics, why ?

They're in fact all Moldovan (Ukraine got some teritories that were part of medieval Moldova) and they're all Romanians (a separated ethnicity for Moldovans is absurd). Bogdan | Talk 17:11, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

It's like Ruthenes and Ukrainians, or any number of other such major+minor ethnic/national groups. If the country collecting the statistics records them as two entities, leave it be. If there's something to be explained (like, that you believe that the distinction is artificial), explain it on the relevant linked pages. --Shallot 14:16, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)

The distinction may be in:

• self-identification of a person counted. By the rules of the latest Ukrainian census, if you claim yourself "Moldovan" you must be considered as so (some jokers named themselves "Elfs" or "Slavs" and it was stated in statistic reports);
• religion: people coming from Soviet Moldova usually do not belong to the traditional Romanian churches;
• just a matter of age, exact birthplace, political attitudes so forth. --AlexPU 18:39, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

IIRC, on the last visit of the Romanian president to the Ukraine, he 'negotiated' with the Ukrainian side and the result was to put them both Romanian and Ukrainian in a single ethnic group. :-) Bogdan | Talk 12:31, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Romanians and Ukrainians placed, by politicians, into a single ethnic group just doesn't hold. Could it be that they were placed into one "nationality" group?

[edit] moldovans are romanians

This text as it is now [[1]] contains some misleading errors. This must be corrected. Moldovans are romanians and this must be stated as it is. Here is too much politics involved. --Bonaparte talk 12:17, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

According to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovans moldovans are the same with romanians. --Bonaparte talk 12:23, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

...yes, only because YOU ADDED IT THERE! lol. --Node 22:28, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

The statistics are quoted from the CIA World Factbook, cited in the article. It's wrong to start adding and subtracting figures from such statistics without taking into account the methodology by which they were derived, and even if we tried, that would be unacceptable original research. Potential problems, for the quoted statistics "Moldovan 0.5%, Romanian 0.3%":

1. We might introduce rounding errors if, for example 0.5 and 0.3 were rounded from 0.540% and 0.340%, then the correct total would be 0.880%→0.9% and not 0.8%. Likewise 0.450%+0.250%=0.700%→0.7%.
2. Often a census only counts how people report themselves. If 0.5% consider themselves Moldovan and 0.3% consider themselves Romanian, we have no right to reclassify them as something else, regardless of what we consider the "correct" national designations to be. Likewise, if we don't like the categories established by census researchers, we can't start rewriting their work, we can only quote its published results.
3. Some censuses accept multiple responses, with a total >100%, and so adding the figures would count people several times. For example, if a respondent considered themselves both Moldovan and Romanian, they may already be counted once in each category. Changing one of these responses to Romanian will then count a single person twice in the same category, creating a skewed picture.

The bottom line is that if you don't like the CIA factbook figures, that's just too bad. The only recourse is to replace the figures with some that are more authoritative. Good luck. —Michael Z. 2006-03-01 20:50 Z

PS: it's rude to accuse an editor of vandalism or being anti-Romanian just because they insist on quoting reported figures correctly. Please be WP:CIVIL. —Michael Z. 2006-03-01 20:53 Z

[edit] Axxn 13:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone explain why there are so many of Siberian people in Ukraine??? (Orocks,Negidals,Nivkh.etc). Is this because Ukranians falsely identifying as Siberians?

[edit] Lingusitic demographics by oblast

Do we have such information? If not, how can we find it? Kevlar67 05:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)