User talk:Dhett

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Contents 1 Southern Greenlee County 2 Category Sort Letter on TV Stations 3 Barnstar 4 KTFL Flagstaff 5 Singleton Applicant 6 KAXM 7 AFD 8 Southern Greenlee County...again 9 Georgia Tech Cable Network 10 Usage of Radio-Info roundups 11 G11 nearly gobbled KPDF-CA 12 DuMont FA candidacy 13 Local Personalities 14 Translators 15 100000watts.com 16 KMAS/KRMA 17 Barnstar for your hard work 18 My Mistake 19 KAET in Yuma

[edit] Southern Greenlee County

Should we split off the cable OTAs from So. Greenlee? -TrackerTV 04:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category Sort Letter on TV Stations

Hey Dhett,

Thanks for your note, and hello from a fellow Arizonan. Sorting by the second letter was discussed by WikiProject: TV Stations here a couple of months back. The consensus of the group was that people would have difficulty finding the stations they were looking for, especially since some were sorted by the first letter, some by the second, creating huge messes in some of the categories. I did not vote, but it was decided by the rest of the group that it was just better to keep the list sorted by the first letter, as that's intuitive, and something the average reader of WP would expect. I did recently fix dozens of stations that were still sorted by the second letter. If you'd like, you can bring this issue up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television Stations; maybe you can convince the group sorting is needed by the second letter, in which case I'll probably end up switching hundreds back to the new version... ;)

Happy editing! --Firsfron of Ronchester 02:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response. I'm not here to make waves; if the consensus is no 2nd-letter sorts, I'm good with that. My life won't stop. Don't worry about correcting them; I did 'em, I'll put 'em back. I'm still getting the hang of the whole Wikistyle thing anyway; I've found a number of trangressions I've been committing. I'm curious about the Ronchester in your full name; you're not a former WNY'er, are ya? --dhett 02:47, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Television Stations team (I should have said that four days ago when you joined...). It seems like you've got a good attitude about editing, since nothing remains unchanged for very long around here. No, I'm not a WNY'er; sorry to disapoint. Happy editing! :) --Firsfron of Ronchester 03:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		I award you this Barnstar for your contributions to television station articles in Arizona. TrackerTV 02:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KTFL Flagstaff

Recently, you changed back the info for KTFL to prior the change, since it could not be verified.

If so, what's this?

http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/sta_det.pl?Facility_id=74149

It says, "License Cancelled"; if the FCC says so, then it must be true, unless there is evidence saying otherwise.

Know what? You're right. I misread the status date as 6/27/2006 instead of 6/27/2002. The FCC's publication of this list on 7/21/2006, effective 7/13/2006, led me to believe that the CP for KTFL-DT was still active, even though their latest STA expired on 7/1/2006. Apparently, it is not, as they have changed the station status from LICENSED to LICENSE CANCELLED. I have restored your edits, with a note explaining why. --05:51, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Singleton Applicant

In some of the articles for LPTV stations in Arizona, you've mentioned that they were "singleton applicants". What does the "singleton" part mean? -- azumanga 16:25, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

The commonly accepted definition of the word "singleton" is "alone". In each article I used that term, in the sentence following the phrase "singleton applicant", I explained that as a singleton applicant, the station would likely be granted a construction permit, "as there are no nearby applicants competing for the same or adjacent channels". Moreover, the link cited clearly states, "The following stations have filed applications without competitors in the area (singleton applications)." Although I believe that these explain what a singleton applicant is, nevertheless, I have clarified the definition in each article, KVOA, KESE-LP and K28FM. --dhett 19:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KAXM

I never knew KAXM's construction permit and broadcast licenses were cancelled. I was only working with what sources i had. Which is why i protested its deletion the first time. I support it being deleted in this event. Raccoon Fox • Talk • Stalk 10:31, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AFD

I thought you'd missed the "(2nd nomination)" part off the end of the transclusion in the log, but looking back now it seems it has never been nominated before (prod doesn't count), so that is actually wrong. I'll fix it, but it may look broken for a minute or two. Yomangani^talk 00:35, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, that's fixed - the instructions are a bit confusing if the first AFD you ever do is a second nomination. The {{afd2}} template creates a link to a page called Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PAGENAME (2nd nomination), so when adding the tag to the log you have to add pg=PAGENAME (2nd nomination) rather than just pg=PAGENAME . In this case it wasn't a second nomination though as only AFDs count (not proposed or speedy deletions). Cheers, Yomangani^talk 00:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Southern Greenlee County...again

I am on the crusade for three OTA cable systems (like the one in Duncan): Iron Mountain, MI, Iowa Falls, IA, and Duncan. For all three, I have looked at highly reliable sources and acquired partial or complete FCC listings for stations (the most complete is Duncan). TTV (MyTV|PolygonZ|Green Valley) 23:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I am writing a letter to Southern Greenlee County TV Association to finish the list, of which one is a CP and one a "NEW". One is even up to be an LD station! TTV (MyTV|PolygonZ|Green Valley) 23:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Georgia Tech Cable Network

What category would it go in, then? I had trouble properly categorizing it, because I assume there aren't many other notable in-house cable networks. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 04:07, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Usage of Radio-Info roundups

I feel it would be a good idea to use your Radio-Info Arizona station roundups here. I still had to change KMCC. TTV|talk|contribs|email 18:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, they sure would be helpful in keeping our station articles current. TTV|talk|contribs|email 22:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] G11 nearly gobbled KPDF-CA

Whoa. Somebody thought that KPDF-CA was blatant advertising. I removed it immediately, as it was NOT blatant advertising. In fact, I actually created the article under an anon, but it does not G11 anyway. User:Alan.ca was the source. TTV|talk|contribs|email 01:00, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DuMont FA candidacy

I didn't have the heart to "Object" to the nom, but there were a few things I thought might need attention. You've done great work, and I think you're going to succeed in getting WP:TVS' first Featured Article! dhett 04:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your note, Dhett, and your very timely suggestions. I will be working for the next few hours to work your suggestions (and everyone else's) into the article. Again, thanks for taking a look, and your awesome suggestions. Offering alternate wording really helps, because I cannot often think of a good alternative. Firsfron of Ronchester 04:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the support comment, Dhett. But most especially, thanks for the small fixes and the really helpful wording suggestions. If you ever want to bring an article up to FAC, I will be glad to provide helpful suggestions, as you've done for me. Thanks again, Firsfron of Ronchester 09:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi David,

Thanks for your note. SandyGeorgia's main objections to the FAC seem to stem mostly from WP:RS. While I feel his/her interpretation of those guidelines was overly rigid, I can only shrug it off and start over. I've ordered David Weinstein's book, which I've been wanting anyway. I'm hoping I can use it to substitute out some of the current references, which were deemed unworthy. And I've discovered two TV histories at my college library which may also help out. Finally, there's a book at the local library I want to use for a single reference. So, while it was depressing to see the FAC fail, I am planning on reworking the material during the next week, seeking feedback, and then resubmitting when everyone feels the article is ready.

Your comments and corrections during the FAC were really helpful, David. You had some great ideas that were easily incorporated into the text. As I said, when you work on the text for a long time, you can't really tell what will be clear to the casual reader, etc. user:DCGeist had a great suggestion I had completely neglected: images. While they aren't required, it really would be good to have some. So during the next few days, I'll be looking for nice photos which can be used, and seeking permission for said use. Aside from decoration, however, the WP:RS objections must somehow be addressed if a new FAC is to succeed.

You ask what you can do to help. I cannot bring myself to ask you to do anything more than what you've already done. But if you wanted to do more, you would be very welcome. We Arizona WP:TVS members need to stick together. ;) Similarly, if there's something I can do as a favor to you, an article that needs work, or... I'll be glad to. Firsfron of Ronchester 10:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Local Personalities

Thanks for helping out with the debate on local personalities... I'm finding that it's become a touchy subject.User:Kerusso and someone at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Susan Peters (TV anchor) have taken exception to the AfD's... and it's totally not about the article / author / anchor in question; I hope we can all reach a good consensus that we can all live with. Amnewsboy 09:09, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

AfDs are always a touchy thing. I've been on the receiving end of a few lately, and it's easy to allow yourself to think that it's you who are being rejected - that your hard work is being trashed. I'm just not a big fan of deleting existing articles. I've written quite a few myself that today I probably wouldn't write, but I'd much rather see someone try to improve them and bring them up to standard if possible, than to delete them. I could sense Kerusso's offense even in his response on WT:TVS and my first thought was "after we spent some time trying to bring ideas to the discussion, he has a lot of nerve simply trashing them without offering alternatives." Fortunately, I backed off that sentiment before I put anything down on the talk page. As I wrote there, we may end up not coming to any consensus, but it's still worth raising the issue for discussion. dhett 03:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Translators

Hello, I was wondering if you could explain where you got data for Utah TV translators such as KUED/List of KUED translators. It's particularly urgent because List of KTVX translators was nominated for deletion. Cool Hand Luke 09:33, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

You're way too kind. As you can tell I was still arguing for deletion at the end, although only half-heartedly because I don't think anyone had the heart to see your hard work go to waste. I'm really impressed by the amount of work you've since put in (all those city links), so rest assured that if you're too tired after this ordeal, I can put up a link to this case on the WikiProject for future reference. So that no one will attempt such a deletion again. Xiner (talk, email) 01:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, that's cool. Cheers. Xiner (talk, email) 02:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 100000watts.com

I need to get a consensus, would 100000watts.com be a good source to use for a reference in an article? Please let me know on my talk page. Thanks. - SVRTVDude 10:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] KMAS/KRMA

I didn't look as far as the applications...oops. KMAS, for the moment, is still licensed to NBC Telemundo, but will probably be turned over to KRMA pretty soon. Kinda funny, NBC-owned station airing Sesame Street:) When the application changes on the FCC site you or I can update the KMAS page. - SVRTVDude ^{(Yell - Work)} 09:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar for your hard work

For your time-consuming-and-unglamorous work in formatting the data on the heroicly-rebroadcasted stations of Utah, I award you this TV Barnstar. You not only improved the articles on Salt Lake market TV stations (KTVX et al), but you ensured that User:Xiner's prior work on these stations would not go for nought. Very good work. Cool Hand Luke 03:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

That's intesresting. I'll have to look into that. Although Word takes regular expressions (which I used), that's clearly not what it's meant to do. At any rate, designing a useable table is what brought us to consensus, so thank you. Cool Hand Luke 14:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My Mistake

Sorry about that....didn't think to put User:TheDJ's name on my post. My mistake. Again, my apologizes. - SVRTVDude ^{(Yell - Toil)} 04:14, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] KAET in Yuma

You've written:

Is there a reason why it is necessary to note that K19CX is owned by KAZT? Of the other 16 translators listed, only 6 are owned by KAET, and none of the other 10 list their owners.

Good point -- revert. -- azumanga 04:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)