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Contents 1 Early business career? 2 Plans for the future 3 Cheney's ancestry 4 Squint 5 Organization of links 6 Parodies and Spoofs 7 Secrecy section 8 Pumphead Syndrome 9 college degrees 10 References Situation 11 Please add more on his enthusiasm for torture 12 Move DWI info to the controversy section 13 Cheney college 14 Butter Sculptor? 15 Pronouncing Cheney 16 Intro 17 Controversies Organization 18 Resignation Rumour 19 Cheney-picture? 20 Previous employment references 21 Die Hard III 22 Is there more available regarding?: 23 Time zones 24 Trivia 25 References in pop culture 26 Clean up 27 Gerald Ford, Cheney and Rumsfeld 28 Health problems 29 Rebuilding of Iraq 30 Cheney's University Education 31 Wait, what? 32 Ethnic/National Heritage or Ancestry? 33 Superfluous Paragraph in Early Tenure 34 Rolling Stone article 35 Attempted assassination 36 Sydney trip 37 (prophetic) Quote from 1991 about possible Iraq quagmire 38 Assassination attempt "controversial"? 39 IQ

[edit] Early business career?

I read the article hoping to learn more about his history in the private sector, but all I see is a long career in politics, culminating as Bush 41's Secretary of Defense - and then suddenly, a few years later, he's CEO of Halliburton. OK, so maybe he never did much in the private sector (although what was he doing in the second half of the 1960s?). And after 1993, his resume in government would obviously make him an attractive hire for a military/energy contractor like Halliburton. But I still feel like I'm missing something. Mporter 04:44, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I added some info about his early-'70s career, including a private sector job. 18:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plans for the future

Considering his credibility, stature and insider knowledge of the Bush administration, a notification of Bob Woodward's suspicions of a presidential run would be prudent in this section. Have a look: http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000920885

In the Plans for the future section of the article, it says: "There have...been rumors that Cheney may resign at some point during George W. Bush's second term, in order for Congress to appoint a new Vice President (via the 25th Amendment), who is interested in running for president, to smooth this leadership transititon for the Republican Party."

Does anyone have a link to substantiate this speculation? If not, I don't think it's encyclopedic. It looks like wild-&-crazy rumor-mongering to me.--RattBoy 10:41, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's been over ten daze and nobody's stepped up to support it, so I obliterated it.--RattBoy 00:50, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Please, bring this information back about the speculation of Dick Cheney's possible Presidential Run. These things are important, don't be so impatient to delete, thank you.--Mofomojo 08:21, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cheney's ancestry

"One of his first known ancestors was Ralph de Chesney, Sire of Quesnay who fought on the side of William the Conqueror in the Battle of Hastings in 1066." I'm intrigued by this. Any sources? Fergananim 19 August 2005.

So what does this say about Cheney?? Doesn't belong in a bio (not to mention how ignorant of basic math regarding numbers of ancestors that it betrays on the part of whoever is ?proud of it - Cheney??)

I have removed this claim, which was added by an anon with no explaination[1], since there is no source given for it and I can't find any. Googling the names and excluding wikipedia pages an mirrors[2] only finds things which are dated after the claim was added to this article, and a few copies of the article which putting "-wikipedia" in the google search string doesn't exclude. -- AJR | Talk 01:49, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Isn't he Irish-American? Everyone else in the US seems to be. ;o) 86.7.208.240 21:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Squint

I've noticed that the Vice-President always seems to bear a slight squint on the left side of his face (his left, not that of the of the observer). Is this a result of nerve damage, his oft discussed heart problems, something he does unconciously, &c.? I haven't been able to find any serious reference to it elsewhere, and I find it curious it hasn't been brought up. Have other people noticed this, or am I crazy? Perhaps I've missed something in the article? --Yossarian 13:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC

COULD be result of Pumphead syndrome. Take Care Will314159 23:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Organization of links

I'm concerned about the way external links are currently organized. The subheading "critical views" seems to confuse the matter: does that mean that the parody page about the hunting accident is NOT critical, while a long and well-researched essay by Joan Didion is? It seems to me we should just organize the external links by topic and not by what we consider to be critical or not (b/c all of these links have some kind of partial position--whether official or oppositional, right?). Any thoughts about this? Thanks! Benzocane 20:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Parodies and Spoofs

I removed the 'parodies and spoofs' section. The article is already tagged as too long and, given the amount of substantial material to cover, I can't see why this entry needs to discuss SNL parodies of the VP. Any reason why this material should stay? It seems to me that it can be moved to entires on the comedians famous for the spoofs in question.

[edit] Secrecy section

It seems to me like a prominent enough feature of his Vice-Presidency to deserve a paragraph here. But not being particularly NPOV on this subject :-) I invite any comments to the contrary. Ribonucleic 20:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pumphead Syndrome

The medical literature shows that a large percentage of people that have bypasses suffer significant cognitive impairment. Vice with the help of his helper Scooter maneuvered us into the Iraq War and is all Gung Ho about getting us into an Iran War. It is very fit and proper to make this edit in the medical section.

• An open question is whether Cheney has suffered any cognitive impairment from his bypasses due to pump-head syndrome, a condition where a significant percentage of bypass patients suffer cognitive impairment.[3]

Let me know what you all think. After 2,700 dead over 20,000 wounded, a trillion dollars blown and no exit in Iraq, it may be derelict to the readers not to let them know there are some medical issues out there. Best Wishes. Will314159 00:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

The reference is about the syndrome and doesn't relate it in anyway to Dick Cheney. Doing so would be original research and inappropriate in this article. The only thing derelict would be inserting it into this article, as it is certainly not a neutral point of view . AuburnPilot^Talk 00:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

• In Cheney's case the personality changes, the lessennng of inhibition, the increased agressiveness his former colleagues such as Powell and Scowcroft have noted is more important than congnitive effects. He is the leading proponent for war w/ Iran, the consequences be damned. Take Care! Will314159 23:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Original Research - AuburnPilot^Talk 00:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

He was doing the vetting for vice presidential candiates for Dubya. Then all of a sudden, he was THE vice presidential candidate. I just wonder if he vetted himself for postperfusion syndrome? Interesting question. Qui Custoded Custodiens? Cheers Will314159 14:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] college degrees

It seems interesting that no mention of Cheney's college degrees or even college years. The White house page makes a small reference but it is not complete. Maybe someone who know what they are doing can add a sentence or two?

[edit] References Situation

The references for this article are a real mess. I thought I'd clean up the links which were causing horizontal scrolling and I'm finding all sorts of problems instead. Already I've found two links which point to articles which no longer exist. I removed the first but I'm calling it quits until I get a little more background on the situation here. Most of the references are done incorrectly, just slapping the ref tags around a link, so there's no way to know if the article the link leads to (when it does) is being made as a genuine reference or is an oblique method of vandalism. Check out reference 13 for an example. It points to a guest comment by a Stephen F. Hayes on the National Review Online website, which doesn't seem proper under these circumstances (at least to me).

The first ref points to a bio on whitehouse.gov for kids and then includes *in it* the text for the reference from the page, unless I'm mistaken. As far as I can tell, ref 2 points to a partial edition of the bio at ref 3. I finally gave up when just a random click (reference 24) in the ref list gave me another missing article.

So, what to do? Looks like they all need to be checked simply to see if the articles they point to still exist, and then figure out if the existing ones are valid or just intended to muck the article up. The fact that adding or deleting one makes the numbers for all the others change doesn't help much to boot. Thoughts? Richard G. Shewmaker 05:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep, I know exactly what you mean. I had this same exact problem on the George W. Bush article. People were just slapping <ref>[www.anything.com]</ref> everywhere, so I went through and swapped them all out for proper citations using this:

<ref>{{cite web
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It took awhile at first, but now I only have to do a few links every couple weeks. I'll see if I can help out here when I get a chance. Good Luck! AuburnPilot^Talk 05:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow! In my search through help regarding references I missed the full/proper citation set up. I'll use that from here on out. I guess as long as my intentions are good (and I'm not having a stupid moment) it's OK to rework things of this nature without starting a discussion for each one; and, obviously, if I mess something up because I didn't understand its context, that can easily be undone. Richard G. Shewmaker 17:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely, no need to start a discussion for each one. Swapping the citations to a template like this improves the article tremendously by giving all relevant information about the citation. If the link stops working one day, an editor will still have all the information needed to find it again. You can see a full explanation of the template, as well as variations of it, here {{Cite_web}}. AuburnPilot^Talk 18:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please add more on his enthusiasm for torture

This man is the most passionate advocate of torture in the developed world, but it is hardly mentioned. He is flushing America's moral authority down the toilet and arguably doing more even than Bush to ensure that the other side in the so-called War on Terror will not lose its enthusiam. This issue really needs more coverage in the article. Honbicot 22:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Do keep in mind Wikipedia's policy of neutral point of view. Unless you have reliable sources that are verifiable, nothing of the sort should be mentioned in the article. AuburnPilot^Talk 23:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Move DWI info to the controversy section

While relevant, his DWI or DUI references are made too important by their placement in the article. They are mentioned even before his role in government. Agrimace 02:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)agrimaceAgrimace 02:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cheney college

At one point in the article, it says Cheney went to Yale. This is not true. Bush went to Yale but not Cheney.

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No, it's true:

This is from a White House transcript of a Cheney speech at Auburn U.: "I received my undergraduate degree from the University of Wyoming. My college experience, though, began at a place called Yale -- but I didn't finish there. Actually, instead, I dropped out after a few semesters. Actually, dropped out isn't quite accurate. (Laughter.) Was "asked to leave" would be more like it. (Laughter.) Twice. (Laughter.) And the second time around, they said, don't come back. (Laughter.)" http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050513-1.html

This is from Yale Class of 1963 alumni page: Dick Cheney Yale '63 Dick Cheney has gone from Yale Class of '63 to the White House. Read more about it in the recent Yale Daily News article, then browse the Dick Cheney photo gallery on the Class of '63 website. http://www2.aya.yale.edu/classes/yc1963/ 4.153.11.169 16:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Butter Sculptor?

Just a heads up to those who monitor this article, Cheney was indeed mentioned on the NPR show Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! today, in the segment where people have to guess which trivia question is correct. The purported butter sculpting career of Mr. Cheney was one of the joke questions. So be prepared for more vandalism as the segment reaches various NPR markets or is rerun. Katr67 19:50, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

So that's where it came from; I was wondering why such a ridiculous claim was made. The good news is this article is semi-protected so anons and newbies can't vandalize. -- AuburnPilot^talk 20:16, 4 November 2006 _(UTC)

[edit] Pronouncing Cheney

I had heard that Cheney is actually pronounced CHEE-NEE and not CHAIN-EE. I found reference to it in the transcript of an old CNN interview where it seems he basically gave up on correcting people. Not sure how important that is, but I was disappointed when Wikipedia didn't have the answer to my query.AmericanRonin 06:10, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. This is exactly the piece of information I was hoping to learn more about by looking up this article today. I hope it will have more coverage soon.--AaronL 04:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

How old was this CNN interview where he said he gave up on corrections? Frithjh 01:38, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I also came here wanting to know. Here are three more links seeming to confirm that the original pronunciation, if not the one he uses today, is [tʃiːni]:

• http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2006/05/podcast-with-mary-cheney.html
• http://www.ma.utexas.edu/users/cheney/
• http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0012a&L=ads-l&P=12364

194.217.93.82 13:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Intro

Why do we need to know what stocks Cheney has in the Introduction section? "; he is still a major stockholder" is out of place. 2nd Piston Honda 17:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Because of Halliburton's role in the rebuilding (or destruction, depending on one's point of view) of Iraq and the Vice President's role as a principal advisor on Iraq war strategy, his financial stake in a company receiving large military contracts from his Administration is of very great significance.````Jeffrey Frawley````

[edit] Controversies Organization

Organization of controversies section, makes outline to show that most of his controversies fall under the DUI section. 68.171.2.144 19:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for pointed that out; I've demoted the heading so they all fall under the Controversies section. -- AuburnPilot^talk 19:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

This morning on NPR I heard Dick Cheney - 1991 interview on tape - give the best reasons why attacking Iraq and removing Sadaam was not a good idea. Of course he was supporting Bush I's reason for not toppling Sadam, but his analysis was excellent and prophetic. My only question is why NPR, etc sat on this tape for 3 years.

[edit] Resignation Rumour

Should the resignation rumour (never more then a rumour), be removed? Cheney resigning (just to give the Republicans a front-runner in 2008), would seem very unintelligent on his part (during a War) & politically too risky for Republicans (with Nancy Pelosi becoming next-in-line), should something happen to Bush. note: It could take up to months before Bush's VP-nominee got Congressinal consent. My point is, this is no place for rumours. GoodDay 17:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cheney-picture?

I find that the top picture does not represent Cheney the way he usually looks. I don't suggest the most hawkish or angry picture of him should be used, but rather something in between. For me, this picture is misleading, and one get the impression that it is added by a Cheney fan, not one of his opponents. Perhaps he looks more like this in family situations etc, but this article is about the public figure. A picture, just like a text, need to have a neutral point of view, right? Or should the "official" white house picture allways be used in situations like this? ... A better alternative may be to add one of the more "hawkish" pictures other places in the article.84.53.31.130 12:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Previous employment references

DaveAppendix 16:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I was interested to note that Cheney was on the board of directors for Electronic Data Systems, but surprised there was no citation yet. Since I'm a new Wikipedia user, I can't edit the page directly, so here are some citations. I'll add more as I find them.

Electronic Data Systems

• Time, Feb 26, 2001
• Washington Post, Aug 30, 2000
• New York Times, Feb 11, 2001
• USA Today, Jul 26, 2000

[edit] Die Hard III

I have just watched the scene, with the director's commentary on, where Dick Cheney is supposed to appear in Die Hard With a Vengeance. The man he points to as being Dick Cheney is almost certainly NOT him, and in fact looks more like Dave Thomas than the VP. I'll leave it in because I can't confirm otherwise, but I am pretty sure he does not have a cameo in the movie. PBP 01:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is there more available regarding?:

In June 1962, Cheney left Yale to return home to Casper, where he worked as a lineman for a power company.

Cheney said that he found himself, "working, building power lines, having been in a couple of scrapes with the law."[28] He said that the arrests made him, "think about where I was and where I was headed. I was headed down a bad road if I continued on that course."

Thank You.

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[edit] Time zones

Just noticed that the time listed in this article for when Cheney took the duties of Acting President is listed in UTC, but in the Bush Transfer of Power article, it's listed in Eastern Time. Is the wiki standard UTC? What if we don't want that, but want our local time or the local time of the event. Just a thought. Jazmatician 03:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

This section and its one piece of information need to be removed. It is useless information and if this page wasn't protected, I would remove it myself. 72.147.79.165 06:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Agree. I've removed it. Shanes 08:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References in pop culture

I deleted this section from the article since the only content was about a band telling Cheney to "stop being a dick". I don't see the relevance to Cheney's bio, or how it in anyway helps better a reader's understanding of him. -- AuburnPilot^talk 17:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC) Could someone please remove the penis pic, I'd do it, but the article is restricted.

[edit] Clean up

This article contains many missing citations and needs extensive clean up. The format of the notes needs to be fixed. I don't have time to do it, but I did add some updated information to the article today; in doing so, I noticed these problems with the missing citations and the inconsistencies in the notes format (formatting). I do not generally use citation templates but construct notes without them, so I am not adept at fixing the problems in the templates. Others who are good at using them may want to work on making the notes consistent throughout and altering the many external links to a notes format that is consistent with the dominant format for notes of the article. --NYScholar 08:32, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gerald Ford, Cheney and Rumsfeld

The article states that Cheney and Rumsfeld manipulated Gerald Ford into various actions. However this is completely contradicted by what President Ford said in an embargoed interview[4] published by the Washington Post after his death in December 2006.

In that interview, Ford unambiguously asserts that those decisions were taken on his own initiative, and not discussed in advance with Rumsfeld or Cheney; including even his appointment of Rumsfeld as Secretary of Defense. Ford goes on to give his actual reasons for those shifts in personnel. For example, in the case of Henry Kissinger, President Ford stated that he always considered it odd for one person to be both Secrectary of State and at the same time chairman of the NSC, and that he could only account for it by Richard Nixon's boundless admiration for Kissinger. That, he says, is the real reason why he asked Kissinger to give up his NSC post while still retaining the office of Secretary of State. 71.58.91.213 10:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Health problems

Cheney has chronic heart failure, due to his many heart attacks. Reports have estimated Cheney's EF (a measure for the effectivness of the heart) to about 35% (normal EF s 65-70%). Chronic heart failure is treated with a lot of different drugs with a correspondingly broad spectrum of side effects that may or may not affect his performance as VP. It would be interesting to include a list of the drug classes that Cheney would be using, were he to receive state-of-the-art pharmacological treatment (as he certainly is) for his heart failure. Cheney's daily drugs probably include:

- ACE-inhibitors or ATII-antagonists (ie ramipiril or losartan etc) Lowering his blood pressure, protecting his heart (remodelling). - Platelet inhibitor(s) (low-dose aspirin (ASA) and possibly Plavix (clopidogrel) Popularly known as "blood-thinners - Cholesterol-lowering drugs; statins (ie simvastatin etc) Lowering his LDL and stabilizing his atherosclerotic plaques - Beta-blocker (metoprolol) Lowering his blood pressure and protecting his heart (remodelling). - Aldosterone antagonist (spironolactone or eplerenon) Has been shown to be effective in severe heart failure (ie NYHA classes 3 and 4). - Diuretic (thiazides or loop-diuretics) Lowering his blood pressure and keep him from accumulating water

As to his cognitive and mental state. Having suffered from coronary heart disease and popliteal aneurysms, there is no doubt Cheney has generalised atherosclerosis. The length of his heart problems (almost 30 years), serves as a surrogate parameter for determining the onset of his atherosclerosis. Due to the considerable time Cheney has suffered from atherosclerotic vessel disease, it is not unreasonable to suspect that this also as manifested itself in the arteries inside his brain, thus increasing the chance greatly that Cheney is suffering from some degree of cognitive impairment due to ischemic brain injury (ie small strokes). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alkaselzer (talk • contribs) 23:11, 28 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Rebuilding of Iraq

Is it really necessary to include the section about Cheney's exchange with Sen Leahy? It seems like somebody just wants to take a shot at Cheney. Regardless of personal feelings, Wikipedia should remain neutral. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.193.241.58 (talk) 12:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Cheney's University Education

"[..]earned his bachelor's and master's of arts degrees from the University of Wyoming."

What subjects?

Which subjects did he take his bachelors and masters?

213.172.204.59 18:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

His bachelors and masters were both in political science, and I have added that to the article. I also added that he did some studying for his doctorate at the University of Wisconsin. However, I am unsure how to do the more complicated form of citations because I'm fairly new to Wikipedia. It would be much appreciated if someone could clean that up. Thanks. Krobilla 23:24, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Cheney's early failures in education, are not mentioned. The bio states he left to return home. A more accurate description is as follows:

COLUMBIA, Missouri (CNN) -- Things don't always turn out as planned, but be thankful for second chances, Vice President Dick Cheney told University of Missouri students at a graduation ceremony Sunday.

Cheney delivered the commencement address to 250 students from the College of Agriculture, Food and Natural Resources.

Recounting his own experiences with second chances, the vice president remembered the difficult times he faced as a student, being "asked to leave twice" from Yale University.

"I dropped out after a few semesters -- dropped out isn't accurate, asked to leave is more like it -- twice," the vice president said.

[edit] Wait, what?

How is his name Dick Cheney, at the top of the article it says Richard. D-hyo 04:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

See Nickname. It's the same situation as Bill Clinton, whose full name is actually William Jefferson Clinton. auburnpilot talk 06:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Question: Why would he use a nickname like "Dick" instead of "Rich"? There must be some explanation of this, as it is very strange. As it is, this conundrum confuses the average reader. Livich 00:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

See Nickname. It's the same situation as Bill Clinton, whose full name is actually William Jefferson Clinton. I fail to see the "conundrum". You may also find List of United States Presidential names to be of interest; it seems Bill Clinton is the only US President to go by a nickname. There is no mention of VP's. auburnpilot talk 01:15, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

This is totally irrelevant, but Pres. Carter goes by "Jimmy" human 22:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Dick is a very common nickname for Richard. Dick Nixon comes to mind. Tomhormby 18:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnic/National Heritage or Ancestry?

We have nothing on Chaney's ethnic/racial and/or national makeup? We have no clue where (any of?) his ancestors came from? This is strange considering we have this information for many lesser known figures. --172.132.153.245 05:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Superfluous Paragraph in Early Tenure

I deleted the text "as he was appointed Secretary of Defense (see below) to replace former Texas Sen.John G. Tower, whose nomination had been rejected by the Senate." from the section "House Minority Whip" because this text appears in the section "Early Tenure" under Secretary of Defense "President George H. W. Bush initially chose former Texas Sen. John G. Tower to be his secretary of defense. When the Senate, in March, 1989, rejected his nomination,"

My edit was reverted. Should I change it back to the way I had it? I guess it would be an edit war if it wasn't discussed on the talk page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tomhormby (talk • contribs) 23:12, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

I've removed the offending paragraph since there hasn't been any comments. Tomhormby 20:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rolling Stone article

I'd be interested in knowing who the author of the Rolling Stone article was. It's not exactly neccesary to the article, but adding it in wouldn't add to the length. I have a theory on who it was, but am not sure how to find out. Northernsky16 00:45, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, I found the name easily enough. Wasn't who I thought it was (more recent). Northernsky16 00:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Attempted assassination

Maybe the page can include something about how Chencey was almost killed in a Taliban suicide bombing directed towards him? [5] 19 people were killed. =( Jumping cheese ^Cont@ct 08:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sydney trip

I removed the section on Cheny's Sydney trip. Comments from Sydney police regarding how many resources they need to devote to security are entirely unnotable in the biography of a US Vice President. —Doug Bell ^talk 18:28, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] (prophetic) Quote from 1991 about possible Iraq quagmire

This quote is attributed to Cheney in numerous places, including this article. "I think for us to get American military personnel involved in a civil war inside Iraq would literally be a quagmire. Once we got to Baghdad, what would we do? Who would we put in power?"

When I google this quote, the only original source I can find is a Hearst article by Helen Thomas called "What Planet Is Cheney Living On?" In order to verify the validity of this quote, I would like another source. Supposedly this was on ABC-TV. Can someone find an ABC source for this?

This page (www.aljazeerah.info/ ? Doesn't sound trustworthy) claims to have the transcript from ABCNEWS. http://www.aljazeerah.info/Letters%20to%20the%20Editor/2004%20letters/May/Letters%20to%20the%20Editor,%20May%204,%202004.htm 128.252.107.160 08:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)-Todemo

[edit] Assassination attempt "controversial"?

Why is the assassination attempt listed under "controversies"? Shouldn't that be shifted to the section "First and second terms"? Or am I missing something?— Lenoxus 03:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Heh, yeah, it certainly doesn't belong under Controversies, ha ha ha... I moved it to its own section, but I'm not sure that's right either. Certainly it's better than where it was, though... --Jaysweet 03:46, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IQ

Cheney is not a rocket surgeon. Any comments? --Jagz 03:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes. There is no such thing as a rocket surgeon. :p

Plus that, uh... what's your point again? If you are proposing something about Cheney's intelligence be added to the article, then find a reliable source and add it. If you are just pointing out that the guy is a dingbat, well... yeah, I think a lot of us feel that way, heh. But this page is for discussing the Wikipedia article on Dick Cheney, not for discussing Dick himself. --Jaysweet 03:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

So you're saying that Cheney is a rocket surgeon? --Jagz 06:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

If there is a point to this discussion, please get to it. Otherwise, it's going to be removed as having nothing to do with this article. This is the talk page for discussing the article, not the subject of the article. auburnpilot talk 06:46, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree. Get to the point Jagz. Other than that, I don't think anyone's going to care and will remove any mention of it if it is not sourced and does not maintain a NPOV stance. ViriiK 07:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I think he's just being silly with the "rocket surgeon" joke. It's actually sort of a funny joke, the more I think of it.

But yeah, I don't think this is serious discussion. :D --Jaysweet 13:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)