Talk:Dinaric race

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Contents 1 serious? 2 Areas 3 softeners 4 Serbia, or Montenegro? 5 Dinaric looks in Belgium?

[edit] serious?

Is this serious? just wondering --AN 19:42 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)

There is indeed a "Dinaric" type in physical anthropology. Actually, Dinaric types are found throughout the world, but are common in the West Balkans. I am not sure if Slobodan Milosevic is the best example, as he is rather short and stocky he would be more of an "Alpine".

Anyway, this classification is serious (or at least was serious until the 1960's), though of course, most scientists have moved away from these sorts of physical catagories, and now focus on genetic differences among populations.

Other such categorizations include "Nordic", "Alpine", "Mediterranean", and so on. I am sure a lot of people find these highly questionable.

it has to be taken into consideration that a HUGE proportion of the world's population is racially mixed to some extent or another, and to say the least that complicates any attempts at classification.

Gringo300 10:13, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

You should add that modern Dinarics are the tallest people in the world:

Pineau JC,Delamarche P,Bozinovic S.[Average height of adolescents in the Dinaric Alps] "This study contributes to an update of average heights among European populations. Our investigation covering 2705 boys and 2842 girls aged 17 years, shows that, contrary to the general belief, adolescents of the Dinaric Alps are, on average, the tallest in Europe. With an average height of 185,6 cm, they are taller than Dutch adolescents (184 cm on average). Above all, the density of very tall subjects appears to be characteristic of the Dinaric Alps, since 28% measure 190 cm or more in height, as opposed to only 20% in Holland and 1.5% in France. Although our information is not complete, adolescent girls in the Dinaric Alps, with an average height of 171 cm come a close second to girls in Holland."

[edit] Areas

The article mentioned Northern Italy being a Dinaric area. Could the southern regions of Switzerland also be considered as such? And what about Croatia?

Italian speaking area of Switzerland are also Dinaric, with some other strains.Croatia is not particulary Dinaric since Dalmatia is mostly Atlantid while the Zagreb centered area of Zagorje is mostly Alpine with some Nordic and Dinaric strains.Alpines are also the main population of Croatia's Slavonia region.

Are the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Hungary also Dinaric areas? —Lagalag 10:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Came across this information from http://med1nuc11.dfc.unifi.it/linnets/troe/texts/p36.htm:

Although the Czechs themselves are predominantly Alpine, the Moravians and Slovaks are frequently Dinaric.

As for the Hungarians, haven’t found anything yet. —Lagalag 07:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] softeners

It seems that "We are all the same" crowd took over the article, with the usual softeners and euphemisms and other PC jargon acrobations.As long as we all pay cash, we are all equal, right?A head,two arms, two legs, five fingers each and you are good at everything like everybody else.......

I'm not sure what an "acrobation" is, but I don't see any PC jargon here. As far as I am aware the concept of a "Dinaric race" is not used in modern anthropology. However, if you have examples of mainstream professional modern usage, add them. The main criticism of the concept that's included here comes from the notoriously PC Carelton Coon! Paul B 11:20, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Serbia, or Montenegro?

According to the Dinaric model, Dinarics are to be found today in the mountainous areas of the western Balkans (Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia and Montenegro, most of northwestern Bulgaria, northwestern Republic of Macedonia and northern Albania).

Between Serbia and Montenegro, would it be safe to say that mountainous Montenegro is the more Dinaric of the two? I’m asking because we may soon have to replace Serbia and Montenegro with simply Montenegro once the latter officially declares independence, and because Serbia from what I know is mostly plains, except for Kosovo. —Lagalag 10:18, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I see that Serbia and Montenegro in that quoted passage was split into Serbia and Montenegro. However, given that Serbia is relatively flat (and the passage states that Dinarics are found mostly in the “the mountainous areas of the western Balkans”), do we still need to include it in the enumeration, or should we remove it? —Lagalag 09:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Well it's difficult to say. Deniker's orginal map seems to exclude most of Serbia, but Serbia is left white, and thus not allocated to any labelled "race" at all, as you can see (click image to enlarge). Paul B 10:54, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Serbians living in the political entity 'Republic of Serbia' are predominantly Dinaric, although to a certain extents they represent the southeastern periphery of the Dinaric race, and also place of settlement of many Serbs from Montenegro and other more uniformly Dinaric areas.Günther's, Coon's, maps and studies of that particular area seem to suggest that at least the single most prevalent type among these Eastern Serbs is that of Dinaric race, with several other Caucasoid variants also present in the population.

Off topic, it is a pity for the science that these categorizations have been abandoned for the several last decades, when it is obvious that even a layman may easily categorize various Caucasoid variants at a glance, after studing several classic books on the subject. A tour over Europe would quickly confront any skeptic with the fact that these categories ,indeed, do exist, both as pockets of populations, in transitional zones, and as more compact, simmilar stocks over wider areas. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.77.159.210 (talk • contribs).

The "Dinaric race"-concept can be really valid, when viewed genetically. Dinarics are the "cleanest" descendants of paleolithic hunters of the gravettian culture, who found a refuge around the Adriatic Sea in the end of the last ice age. This is obvious from the fact that the area with the most dense presence of the "Dinaric race" has the highest percentage of Y-haplogroup I. But don't worry, the old concepts will be revived again, after the social utopias created by Pc egalitarians crash everywhere in the world.Centrum99 09:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC) Centrum99 09:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dinaric looks in Belgium?

I find lots of people here having dinaric features, and not so much nordic, as some texts suggest. I am talking of experience: i AM belgian. The nordic features are mostly found among children here, who are blond, but their bone structure isn't nodric mostly. Anyone got an opinion about this? Thx. :)