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Contents 1 birthplace 2 The Tetrarchy 3 Retirement 4 Diocletian's "economic reforms" 5 Christians 6 Dominus et Deus 7 An 'Illyrian'? 8 Doclea 9 292 or 286?

[edit] birthplace

born in the city that for a long time carried his name- Dioclea (today's Podgorica, Serbia and Montenegro)

What is the basis of this? I always read that he was born at Salona, and even that was marked probably. --Joy [shallot] 00:07, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

From Serbian Wikipedia:

(Диоклеја, близу Салоне - данашњег Солина) (Dioclea, near Salona - today Solin)

Of course, the same is written in Croatian Wikipedia, and if both Croats and Serbs managed to agree on this point than it is definitely true.Mor Vilkacis 12:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Tetrarchy

Diocletian didn't strictly speaking split up the empire. The Tetrarchy is also covered in depth in the article Tetrarchy - would it be better to give a brief summary here under the heading on reforms and then redirect readers to that article? (Ostrich, you should remember to sign your name).

I don't think the "splitting the empire" section of this article is very good. It seems to be a bit faulty and simplified. I agree with your idea to leave just a summary of the subject here. If you want to rewrite it you should just go ahead. --Tokle 11:12, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Retirement

Regarding: "He was the only Roman Emperor to remove himself from office; all of the others either died of natural causes or were removed by force."

Is this correct. The emperor Majorian also abdicated.

/Rune

From the Marjorin article: Majorian was forced to resign by Ricimer. He died five days afterwards, either of dysentery or by violence. He was forced to resign (and was then soon killed (most likely) thereafter). I suppose the sentence could be changed to "..the only Roman Emperor to voluntarily remove himself from office.." --Stbalbach 00:03, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

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Justin II also abdicated

Gibbon writes: "The tardy knowledge of his own impotence determined him to lay down the weight of the diadem; and, in the choice of a worthy substitute, he showed some symptoms of a discerning and even magnanimous spirit."

/Rune

Too many emperors.. but I think in Justins case, he remained Emperor, if not in title only, until he died in 578. Stbalbach 01:08, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Isaac I Comnenus also resigned, if you want to include Byzantine emperors. Adam Bishop 06:16, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Diocletian's "economic reforms"

From Peter Johnson [03:14, 21 November 2005 (UTC)]: I'm adding information about Diocletian's institutionalization of serfdom.

[edit] Christians

There is no mention of the persecution of Christians and the Era of Martyrs!?

It is mentioned at the bottom of the section on military reforms. But since it really has nothing to do with that, I've seprated it into its own new section, which can be expanded. It is also noted in the "Legacy" section. By the way, excellent illustration of Dio's palace you added! Thanks!--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 10:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dominus et Deus

Diocletian was not the first to claim the title. See the page on Talk:Aurelian#Dominus et deus. However, he was the first to make it stick.

[edit] An 'Illyrian'?

Treadgold says he was most likely a Greek.

Take THAT anti-greek scum!

[edit] Doclea

Perhaps someone should check out the article Doclea - a Serbian/Slavic Principality in southern Dalmatia. The two are connected - but a clear connection I can't draw. --HolyRomanEmperor 17:45, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 292 or 286?

The sidebar lists Diocletian as the sole emperor until 292, but the article on Maximian clearly lists his co-reign starting in 286. Can this discrepancy be addressed and corrected, please? --Don Sowell 18:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)