User talk:Domer48/Archive 1
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[edit] Welcome
Welcome!
Hello, Domer48, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
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on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! Logoistic 01:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
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Think you may need this --Phoblacht 12:19, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Your contributions
I'm an admin and I've been asked by User:Logoistic to review your contributions. You're a new editor, so leeway is extended at this stage, but I have to advise you that his points are correct. You should address edits not the editor. Please study his advice carefully as it is sound. In particular read up on the policies that he has linked to, such as WP:NPA. These are very important. You might like also to read WP:TPG. The talk page is most not a forum for personal opinions: it is a workshop for improving the article. I've noted that you have now posted a conciliatory message offering a more collegiate approach, and am pleased about this. Persistance of your initial conduct would only lead to warnings and then to a block on editing. No one wants this and your enthusiasm is appreciated, but wiki policies must be followed. You can find some useful ones here. It is necessary to reference statements. Any non-referenced statements can be removed by any other editor at any time. I am sure other editors will be pleased to advise you, so ease up a little and get to know how wiki works. Then you'll be OK. Reference advice below. Tyrenius 20:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- I recommend you work closely with more established editors, ask their advice and take it for the time being. When you get more experienced, you can always revisit the earlier articles you worked on and re-assess, as you'll be in a much stronger position then to maybe argue a difficult case. Starting off in wiki, expecially with contentious articles, is a minefield for the new editor. Tyrenius 05:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Guide to referencing
Using references (citations) |
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I thought you might find it useful to have some information about references (refs) on wikipedia. These are important to validate your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can removed unreferenced material; and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add something to an article, it's highly advisable to also include a reference to say where it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started. [edit] Good referencesA reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text. To validate "Mike Brown climbed Everest", it's no good linking to a page about Everest, if Mike Brown isn't mentioned, nor to one on Mike Brown, if it doesn't say that he climbed Everest. You have to link to a source that proves his achievement is true. You must use Reliable sources, such as published books, mainstream press, authorised web sites, and official documents. Blogs, Myspace, Youtube, fan sites and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is Original research, e.g. your own unpublished, or self-published, essay or research. [edit] Simple referencingThe first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section. This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code:
The next step is to put a reference in the text. Here is the code to do that. It goes at the end of the relevant term, phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers, and after punctuation such as a full stop, without a space (to prevent separation through line wrap):
Whatever text you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "Notes and references" section as your reference. [edit] Test it outCopy the following text, open the edit box for this page, paste it at the bottom (inserting your own text) and save the page:
(End of text to copy and paste.) [edit] Information to includeYou need to include the information to enable the reader to find your source. For a book it might look like this:
An online newspaper source would be:
Note the square brackets around the URL. The format is [URL Title] with a space between the URL and the Title. If you do this the URL is hidden and the Title shows as the link. Use double apostrophes for the article title, and two single quote marks either side of the name of the paper (to generate italics). The date after The Guardian is the date of the newspaper, and the date after "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed the site – useful for searching the web archive in case the link goes dead. Wikilinks (double square brackets which create an internal link to a wikipedia article) function inside the ref tags. Dates are wikilinked so that they work with user preference settings. [edit] Citation templatesYou may prefer to use a citation template to compile details of the source. The template goes between the ref tags and you fill out the fields you wish to. Basic templates can be found here: Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference [edit] Same ref used twice or moreThe first time a reference appears in the article, you can give it a simple name in the <ref> code:
The second time you use the same reference in the article, you need only to create a short cut instead of typing it all out again:
You can then use the short cut as many times as you want. Don't forget the /, or it will blank the rest of the article! A short cut will only pick up from higher up the page, so make sure the first ref is the full one. Some symbols don't work in the ref name, but you'll find out if you use them. [edit] ExampleYou can see refs in action in the article William Bowyer (artist). There are 3 sources and they are each referenced 3 times. Each statement in the article has a footnote to show what its source is. [edit] Next stepWhen you become familiar with the process, the next step is to have one section, "Footnotes", with links embedded in the text, and another, "References", which lists all of your references alphabetically with full details, e.g. for a book:
If you're ready to go into it further, these pages have detailed information:
I hope this helps. If you need any assistance, let me know. Tyrenius 20:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC) |
[edit] Young Ireland
Hello Dormer, thanks for your message re Young Ireland. I managed to insert one citation for the 'monster meeting' from Roy Foster's History of Ireland. I noticed you have made progress in adding citations to John Mitchell. You appear to have access to alot of literature on the subject and I look forward to seeing your footnotes to Young Ireland as well. Natalie West 13:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello Dormer, I have replied to some of your points on the talk page, but I shall have to do some more reading before I can reply in full. I am interested in reading some of the primary sources you mentioned and will have to visit the British library for them Natalie West 02:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Good job
Good job with the referencing you just did here, Domer. Logoistic 22:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Adding images
Hi Domer. I'd be glad to help. This is a two-step process.
First, you need to upload the picture, either to the English Wikipedia, or if you think it will be useful in other languages as well, to Commons. To upload it to the English site only, click on "Upload File" in the left column of any Wikipedia screen. This brings up a rather intimidating page, but as long as the image is free of copyright or uploadable as "fair use", you shouldn't have any problems. Locate the image on your hard drive using the Browse button, and then in the Summary box type or paste in the source. Under "Licensing", choose the copyright category the image falls under. Most of the images I upload are old, so I use one of the two "author died more than 100 years ago" tags.
Uploading to Commons is similar. Use this link. Commons does not accept fair use images, however.
Once the image has been uploaded to either place, it is available to add to an article in the English Wikipedia. You will need to type a link like this at the place in the article you want the image to appear (at the top of the article, usually, for portraits).
[[Image:William Smith O'Brien.jpg|thumb|William Smith O'Brien]]
The first part here is the name of the image, which you can copy from the upload page after the upload finishes. "|thumb" is necessary to integrate the image with the article. You can also add "|left" after thumb if you want the image to appear on the left side. (The right side is the default.) Finally, the last bit of text is the caption.
Let me know if you have any other questions. --Rbraunwa 22:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)