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[edit] Reference advice
I'm glad you're settling in. The best way to learn is to watch how others do things. Wiki is a culture with its own conventions, not necessarily what's written down always. When you say quotes, I think you mean information. A quote is something copied word for word and put in double speech marks. If it is a quote, then it should be exactly as written in the original (with the ref to show where it came from). Quotes are used sparingly and only for special reasons of significance. More often the original would not be quoted, but used as a source of information, when it would be paraphrased with words rearranged, which is necessary for copyright reasons, and the ref given to show the source of the information. This has been done correctly in the edit you mention by Ben W Bell, though the personal content of the edit summary was unnecessary.[1]
It is correct that if there is a consensus, this should be followed until a different consensus is achieved. However, if that is the reason given, then the person should be able to point you to the location of that consensus to prove their point. I note an article is called Derry. Its talk page says:
- Note to editors: the agreed compromise for the Derry/Londonderry name dispute is that the city page shall be titled Derry and the county page shall be titled County Londonderry.
That is about the titles of those pages, not necessarily usage in other articles, though it does provide weight for it to be adopted elsewhere. See also WP:IMOS#Derry_.2F_Londonderry. See also Derry-Londonderry name dispute and its talk page. See also Talk:Seamus Heaney. Basically you need to read up on everything and see how things are shaping up generally. You might like to consult User:Djegan, though he seems to be mostly leaving the project.
My advice is to leave the knotty problems, and get on with the material which can be added easily. The knots get sorted out anyway in due course, and it's probably better to become more familiar with all the wiki processes, e.g. WP:DR, before you get too involved with trying to resolve them, but that is your choice. There are other people also addressing the same issue. You should watch them, and maybe ask them. These things are often not clear-cut, and require a lot of editorial dialogue to get anywhere. Get back to me if you need to .
Tyrenius 23:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Young Ireland
Hello Domer48, I came across you name, through the edits of an article I'm intrested in. You have a lot of good information, so get it out there! Don’t hold back on the editing of material that is not backed up! If you need a dig out give us a shout! --Phoblacht 11:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
- Good post Phoblacht, I second that.--Vintagekits 13:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Articles
Would these articles be up your street,[2][3][4],[5], [[6]] take it handy --Phoblacht 15:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Article advice
Not much has happened on those articles for a while. Certainly bad info and unreferenced material can be deleted. The key thing is to make it clear in edit summary and on talk page exactly what you are doing and why (in edit summary it's a good idea to mention "see talk page"). Then it is apparent that you are acting in good faith and enables any other interested editors to comment. As far as merging goes (see WP:MERGE) you can either tag both articles, or be bold and do it. As these are not particularly active, the second might be the best option. Select the article to be the one remaining and turn the other into a redirect by deleting the text and place this on the page:
- #REDIRECT [[NAME OF DESTINATION ARTICLE]]
If you want to keep some of the text from the redirect article, there are two ways. If you just want some information, then you can rewrite the actual text with a paraphrase, so it avoids copyright issues. If you want not just the info but the actual words as they are written down, then cut and paste into the remaining article. However, to preserve GFGL, you must state in edit summaries and talk pages of both articles that you have done this. By the way, cut and paste should never be used to move a whole article to a different name, as it loses the edit history: use the move button for that. Tyrenius 23:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Young Ireland Tags
Domer, I've left a reply to your message here on my talk page. Logoistic 23:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Vandal report to Tyrenius; comment
Tyrenius, how do you go about having users blocked, who engage in nothing but vile and vulgar edits. I am referring to the Irish Potato Famine Article. Some examples of which are [[7]], [[8]], [[9]], [[10]], [[11]], [[12]], [[13]], [[14]], [[15]], [[16]]. This is only three days of it and it must be so disheartening to editors, who have to deal with this type of behaviour. Thanks for your time and patience, Regards --Domer48 20:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
- This user has been blocked for six months. See WP:VAND for how you can usefully help fight vandalism. --Guinnog 20:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I am afraid that a lot of this goes on at times, so you must get used to it. However, there were a number of different vandal addresses in the list and, apart from one at the moment (with only one edit) they've been blocked for periods up to 6 months. When there's vandalism, revert, and leave a warning on the user talk page, generally starting with a low level warning 1 and increasing to level 2, 3, 4. You can skip if it's serious vandalism. When you run out of warnings, or if it's ongoing and heavy, then report to WP:AIV. You'll find that a lot of vandalism is lightweight drive-by stuff, e.g. just a couple of edits and that's it. Soem schools and colleges are notorious for it. Sometimes vandals end up as good editors, so there is a policy of encouragement to do that in the first instance. Tyrenius 01:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- You can find useful warning templates on WP:WARN to go on the user's talk page. You should always substitute substitute a warning template, so for the templae {{uw-vandalism1}} you actually type {{subst:uw-vandalism1}}. Most, but not all, templates are "substituted". Tyrenius 03:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] WPIR
Hi there. You strike me as a person that would be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Irish Republicanism. Just in case you didn't know it was there. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 16:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Daniel O'Connell
I removed the reference to the Fenians, you could have do so yourself. I thought of them automatically when a reference was made to secret societies. James Stephens, O'Donovan Rossa, etc. were not Americans, but I am not going to quibble.
As far as the rest goes, I don't know what else you want. I only re-edited because you dismembered my quote (in the first paragraph) and I fixed it.
I am assuming good faith and I hope you do as well. Also, NO OFFENSE, but please use spell check, you would be surprised how poorly your messages read.
Yours, O'Donoghue 20:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
P.S. remember O'Connell was not an Irish Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The actions he took bordered on extortion, no matter how laudable the goals and regardless of what John Mitchel may have written. That needs to be clear in light of the historical consequences and repercussions, even to the present day.O'Donoghue 20:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
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- I never said they were Americans, read what I said, and check your own message, and see how it reads. You olny re-edited because you think I dismembered your quote! That is not a justifiable reason for an edit. In fact that is disruptive behaviour. On the discussion page I justified my edit. If you question my reason for it, the discussion page is the place to raise it. You on the other hand did not, so if I’m reading you right, all your edits were based on the fact I edited a line out of your quote. What I now want, is for you to Replace the material you have edited, that is the referenced material I added, place the tags above the page, that is what I would like you to do. On O’Connell, what ever you think about him, doses not interest me in the slightest. As long as its referenced and a reliable source. (it dose not even have to be true). You do not know what my view of O’Connell is, so do not assume to tell me, editors have to assume a NPOV. You on the other hand have expressed an opinion, and will be judged on all future edits in relation to O’Connell. P.S No Offence taken re spelling, I would not be that petty. Regards --Domer48 21:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Last message for now
I restored the neutrality, unreferenced tags as per your request. The reason I removed those tags is because I had already added POV tags to the sections in question which I viewed as POV, which are still there and which comprise some/most of your contributions, which may be why you are upset. If so, sorry.
As far as "referenced material" you claim I removed, I do not know what you are talking about, so fix it yourself, I am not your servant. Just don't dismember my first paragraph quote as you did before.
Also don't threaten me because I hold an opinion - anything I added to the O'Connell page I provided a reference for. However I removed some of the unreferenced tags which littered the entire article because they averaged one per every two lines or so - THAT IS OVERKILL and a misuse of the unreferenced tag.
Regards,O'Donoghue 21:50, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Primary and secondary sourced referenced material is not POV, the source of your material is questionable, the reliability of it I have shown to be dubious, and the only thing I removed was a POV which was not even in the quote you used. In relation to unreferenced tags, I much prefer them, to cutting out unreferenced material. I like to provide editors the opportunity to reference their material. Changing your original message, was a bit silly, the history of it is there so now I do not know which one to answer [[17]]. What is the POV which compromises all my referenced material? Is it the source, is that the POV? I have used three, which one of them do you have a problem with? As to threatening you, what are you on about? As to the referenced material you removed, the second reference by Michael Doheny. The section tags are placed on referenced edits by me, and unreferenced sections you leave, and remove citation tags? Your tone and attitude is argumentative, and doses not assume good fate, your use of tags is selective, sort out the material you have removed, and remove the selective tags. If you persist with this behaviour, I will ask for an administrator to review all the pertinent material. Regards--Domer48 22:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Hibernian Rifles
I started a page about the Hibernian Rifles - its more your expertise, maybe you should have a look at it.--Vintagekits 20:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Hello Vintagekits, I am not familiar with the Hibernian Rifles . I will look them up and reference some information on them. I am trying to focus on the Young Irelanders at the minute, which covers a whole raft of areas. It seems a bit of a long road, when I look at some of the articles. Like I said, if you need help with checking references, I have access to a large selection of books. Regards --Domer48 17:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
