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Diskussion:Garten-Melde - Wikipedia

Diskussion:Garten-Melde

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Zu welcher Familie gehört die Gartenmelde? Ich finde im Web meist Chenopodiaceae - Gänsefußgewächse, z.B. in http://www.br-online.de/freizeit/querbeet/ratgeber/neue-gemuesesorten-2007.html, http://www.lebensmittellexikon.de/g0000170.php, http://www.polleninfo.org/index.php?language=de&nav=_n2&module=article&action=first_page&id_parent=1135&id=38, http://berlin.nabu.de/m02/m02_02/04240.html etc.

Wie die Seite Fuchsschwanzgewächse ausführt, wurden früher ein Teil davon Chenopodiaceen genannt. Nach neueren molekularbiologischen Untersuchungen ist eine solche Abtrennung jedoch nicht mehr haltbar. Warum immer noch überall auf Chenopodiaceen verwiesen wird, liegt an der Langsamkeit des gedruckten Worts. Bis sich in allen Bibliotheken neue Versionen befinden, die dann auch gelesen werden, bis etc. pp. --Ayacop 16:34, 8. Mär. 2007 (CET)
Tatsächlich aber, wenn man genauer hinguckt, ist die allerneuste Forschung noch gar nicht sicher, weder ob die Chenopodiaceae noch ob die Amaranthaceae monophyletisch sind, Zitat:

„ Cuénoud et al. (2002) found Amaranthaceae s. str. to be monophyletic, with very strong (97%) support, Chenopodiaceae were perhaps monophyletic, but the branch collapsed in a strict consensus tree; the sampling was moderately good, but only one gene - matK - was sequenced and analysed. In an extensive rbcL analysis, much of the old Chenopodiaceae were monophyletic, but with little bootstrap support, ditto the old Amaranthaceae (incl. Polycnemoideae), Betoideae were paraphyletic (G. Kadereit et al. 2003). Other studies suggest paraphyly of Chenopodiaceae and sometimes even potential polyphyly of Amaranthaceae (Pratt et al. 2001). In a recent analysis of matK/trnK sequences, Müller and Borsch (2005b; see also Müller & Borsch 2005c), Polycnemum and Nitrophila (100% support) were sister to the rest; they have ordinary secondary thickening, imperfect flowers, basally connate filaments, and unithecate anthers. The rest of the Amaranthaceae + Chenopodiaceae had <70% support (and still lower posterior probabilities), while the Amaranthaceae s. str. had 100% support and the Chenopodiaceae s. str. again <70% support, but this time 100% posterior probabilities. Within Amaranthaceae - at least some flowers imperfect - Bosea and Charpentiera were successively sister to the rest, but Amaranthoideae and Amarantheae were paraphyletic. See also Schütze et al. (2003), Shepherd et al. (2004, 2005a: Australian Salicornioideae), and G. Kadereit et al. (2005: Australian chenopods, 2006: Salicornioideae) for studies on groups of Chenopodiaceae sensu stricto.“

http://www.mobot.org/MOBOT/Research/APweb/orders/caryophyllalesweb.htm#Amaranthaceae (Link bei Fuchsschwanzgewächse ganz unten)

Ausschlaggebend für die Wikipedia jedoch ist, dass sich die Redakteure für die Systematik der Bedecktsamer nach APG II entschieden haben, die auf neueren Grundlagen beruht als alle anderen Systematiken, und auf der dort verlinkten Webseite sind die Chenopodiaceen keine Familie mehr. --Ayacop 16:51, 8. Mär. 2007 (CET)

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