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What's the difference between the "State of Wu" and "Kingdom of Wu"? --Jiang 06:58, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)
The "State of Wu" usually refers to a state during the Spring and Autumn Period, but is occasionally used the describe the state governed by the Sun family during the decline of the Later Han dynasty, whereas the term "Kingdom of Wu" is used to describe the state after Sun Quan declared himself emperor. Chuximus
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[edit] The Kingdom and State of Wu
As Sun Jian said in Dynasty Warriors 4, "I vow that one day, the Tiger of Jiang Dong, will bring peace back to the land." The preformance of Wu soldiers and generals can not be questioned but it can be challenged. At the time being of their struggle, the army of Wu with Sun Jian and Sun Ce had to retake back their own lands from regional leaders who invaded their land. During those times, Sun Jian died in battle and Sun Ce died after a wound reopens, but they managed to recruite or convince other officers to join their ranks. Looking at Wu, they did not have the one thing that they need most. The Wu kingdom had less man power, but they did fulfill the requirements of the others. They had generals of many talent and the strategy to combat any smaller enemy troops. This is where the alliance at Chi Bi with Liu that they were able to recover as well as gain more soldiers after Zhou Yu lead the South Land to victory. The Kingdom and State of Wu shows me and maybe others that they had many talented officers and generals yet they did not have enough man power to repel an overwheling force like Cao Cao and the kingdom of Wei.--Zhang Liao 16:07, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
Sun Jian actually spent very little time in Yang province, which was Sun Ce's power base. He held only local authority there for a brief time, and did not return after the Yellow Turban Rebellion. Sun Jian was killed while fighting on behalf of Yuan Shu, and Sun Ce's army during the time of Cao Cao's struggle with Yuan Shu was large and powerful enough to give Cao Cao and Liu Biao reason to fear. In addition, numerous censuses in the era show that for the overwhelming majority of the time, Wu was actually far closer to Wei in terms of manpower than Shu was. Most maps of the era show that Wu was nearly as large as Wei. -- Schlechtentag
[edit] Material about Wu Taibo and Japan
I've removed the material (again) because it doesn't pertain to Eastern Wu; it belongs in, if anywhere, Wu (state), and if someone puts it there I won't object. (Wu Taibo was the legendary founder of the State of Wu; Eastern Wu was centuries later with no connection to his line.) --Nlu 06:55, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] The Top Generals of Wu
Althought Wei and Shu had there own top five generals, Wu never had any generals that could match their feats or knowledge in war. If there were any top five generals in Wu though, they would be Zhou Yu, Zhou Tai, Lu Xun, Gan Ning, and Huang Gai.
1.) Zhou Yu aids Sun Ce in the campaign to take back the Wu territories. Later, he saves Sun Quan at Chi Bi against Cao Cao.
2.) Zhou Tai was noteable for his life risking journey every time Sun Quan was in danger.
3.) Lu Xun, I believe, earns his place in the top five for not only helping Lu Meng take back Jing but also for defeating Liu Bei at Yiling regardless if many of the veteran officers did not trust him.
4.) Gan Ning proves his worth by leading a night raid on the Wei troops and not a single horse nor soldier turned up missing.
5.) Huang Gai was mostly noteable for his services to the Sun family and his false defection that lead to the victory at Chi Bi.
Althought some people may not agree with these men as the top five, I believe they are comarable to the top Five Tigers of Shu and Top Five Wei Generals. If anyone thinks otherwise, please do post your expression. --Zhang Liao 22:58, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure if Zhou Yu and Lu Xun (and Lu Meng) should be in the list. They were excellent generals, of course, but they were also top-notch advisors like Zhuge Liang and Sima Yi -- who were NOT among the Five Tiger generals and Five Wei generals respectively. For their replacements, I recommend Taishi Ci (who, ironically, performed his greatest acts before joining Wu) and either Cheng Pu or Jiang Qin. -- DragonAtma
This section is absurd fanservice. We should delete it and instead include "influential commanders." I also dispute user Zhang Liao's claims, as they are clearly opinion based and should be completely disregarded. While talent is in the eye of the beholder, influence is far more tangible. -- Schlechtentag
[edit] Yizhou
After the Battle of Chibi, Zhou Yu was hoping to grab Liu Zhang's lands (the provincer Yizhou, which later became the heart of Liu Bei's empire) for Wu. Obviously they failed, but I'd say it's a valid possibility, as "Island" may have been a mistranslation, especially seeing how isolationist Liu Zhang and his father were. On a side note, a "What if" scenario in one of the Ro3K games (#9, I think) has Yizhou under Wu's control, with Liu Bei limited to (I think) southern Jing. -- DragonAtma
The Yizhou in question is not the same as Yi province, though Zhou Yu does advocate seizing it. The Chinese characters are different, and numerous biographies, such as Lu Xun's, make note that Yizhou is most likely Taiwan. -- Schlechtentag
