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i think one of the members of marilyn mansons band was nicknamed gidget gein, after this guy. Most of the members of the band have nicknames like that. Made up from the name of a famous woman and a serial killer. Irresponsible 16:58, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I think this article is not NPOV enough. The article implies that Ed Gein's murderous behavior can be attributed to family and evironmental problems. There is plenty of evidence that contradicts this viewpoint, including the belief that Ed Gein was a sociopath. The cause of sociopathy is unknown, so i believe that the implicit viewpoint of this article should be neutralized. king 22:53, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Please rewrite this article, somebody seems to have defaced it.
- Agreed. Agivith 01:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Gein childhood
I don't know if this is true, but I heard somewhere that Gein's mother (Augusta) would frequently go into the shack to do business. She would strictly tell her boys to not open the door and look inside. One day Eddie peeked in and saw his mom having intercourse with an animal. After that he became really upset with her and thats when he started rejecting his mother's views. I don't know if this is true. Could someone look it up?
Sounds more like it was his older brother who witnessed it since he later criticized his mother while Ed always loved her but I've found no source for this.
[edit] Childhood
first paragraph under childhood, last sentence - he often liked to dance the jig? sounds like vandalism. And he liked it elbow deep during cavity searches.
[edit] latent homosexuality
this seems like pure speculation. does anyone have a source that would back this up?--Alhutch 18:04, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- This source, http://www.radford.edu/~maamodt/Psyc%20405/serial%20killers/Gein,%20Ed.htm, specifically addresses his orientation and mentions nothing about homosexuality, latent or otherwise. -Willmcw 20:31, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Rotten.com article?
The link to the Rotten.com article should be removed or, alternately, the article needs revision. The rotten bio directly contradicts some of the info listed in the main article, i.e.: cause of Augusta's death (cancer vs. stroke) and Gein's eventual sentencing (not guilty by reason of insanity vs. sentenced to life in prison). Additionally, the Rotten.com article claims that Augusta encouraged her sons to masturbate, whereas this article claims she punished Ed for the same act.
I'd clean this up myself, but frankly i have no idea which of the two (if either) competing accounts is correct. Just thought i'd mention it.
As an aside, i never thought my first contribution to Wikipedia would be around Ed Gein's bio, but there you go.
The first full paragraph after the list of items found in Gein's home contains a cited quote. It says that Gein committed insane transvestite acts (or something to that effect). When one checks the citation, the author of cited article was in fact referring to a fictional character loosely based on Gein, not Gein himself.
[edit] Writing quality?
A lot of this article isn't very well written. For instance: Despite her deep contempt for George, the atrophic marriage persisted. With its roots in Evangelicalism, divorce was not an option. This could be said a lot more straightforwardly.
The general tone isn't very encyclopedic; it sounds more like a narrative than an article. Someone should probably do some cleanup on this. (Not me! ^_^)
- Yeah. Could somebody clean up and clarify "Later Central State Hospital turned into the prison Gein was transfered to Mendota State Hospital in Madison Wisconsin When, in 1968, his doctors determined he was sane enough to stand trial, he did so and was found not guilty by reason of insanity, and spent the rest of his life in the hospital."? I would, but I don't even know what its TRYING to say.
- (Comments above unsigned)
- Not sure how this is supposed to read, but "outrs" isn't a word: "Augusta decided to move to this desolate location to prevent outrs from influencing her sons." James A. Stewart 01:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] sex change ed
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/crime/serial-killers/ed-gein/
- "Sex change" does not equal "gay". Bearcat 08:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
it equals a tran. grazon 01:09, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] More Info?
* severed heads acting as bedposts in the bedroom; * skin used to make lampshades and chair seats; * skullcaps made into soup bowls; * a human heart (it is disputed where the heart was found; the deputies' reports all claim that the heart was in a saucepan on the stove, with some crime scene photographers claiming it was in a paper bag); * a face mask made out of real face skin found in a paper bag; * a necklace of human lips; * a waistcoat made up of a vagina and breasts; and * other items fashioned from the parts of human bodies including a belt fashioned from nipples.
All articles on the internet seem to mention these things but no one really has proof or more details, help?
Don't you think the first line under "Childhood" caption is partially incorrect? What was Ed's father's name?
[edit] Corpses a-plenty
The article states that, while Geins house was full of human remains, Gein himself said that they were primarily from (relatively fresh) graves he robbed, not from people he killed, and that he has only been definitively linked to the deaths of two people. Wouldn't grave robbery on the scale required to get all the body party described have been pretty obvious? Was it confirmed that there were lots of bodies missing from the local cemetary? --Jfruh (talk) 14:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry to break the news, but when you die they won't open your coffin every year or so to make sure you're still there ;). As long as he was subtle I don't see how they would of known except by accident. --A Sunshade Lust 23:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Gein stated, if I read correctly in another source, that he chose fresh graves, dug up the remains, and reburied the coffins. No one could tell the difference.
I was reading from one of the books about gein, and noticed this was not written anywhere on this page. he read about Ilsa Koch, wife of a nazi death camp leader, and how she used the skin of others in order to 'please herself'. specificallly organs frozen over in fermaldehyde, as well as making book bindings out of human skin. this might be a possible reaosn for his skin-crafting.
just a thought.----
[edit] Childhood Corruption
I believe the reasoning for his actions may have a lot to do with the way he was raised and his upbringing. According to this document his mother did not speak very well of women and sexual acts. Discovering sex is normal for any young child and as it states his mother poured scoulding water on him when finding him exploring his sexual nature. Parents who tend to interfere with natural findings do corrupt their child in some ways. Because of his mothers harsh ways in talking about the female sex obviously he grew up thinking it was okay to kill off any woman because in her words "their evil and whores". I base his actions mostly on his mothers teachings.
[edit] His Death
A link provided at the bottom of the artical as a reference states the following: "On July 26, 1984, he died after a long bout with cancer. He was buried in Plainfield cemetery next to his mother, not far from the graves that he had robbed years earlier" The Wiki article states that he died of respitatory issues. This is a blatant contradiction. I will fix it now. \
Under the title of DEATH the sentence "this was too good for such an evil man so showuld have been tourtured to an inch of his life." is obvious vandalism and should be deleted.
[edit] Plagarism
You guys should clean up the plagarism found in certain areas of the article. For example, you guys say "not far from the graves that he had robbed years earlier". This phrase is also relayed in the Crime Library article cited under External Links. Clean this up! -Marty
- Thanks for the alert. I removed that sentence. I haven't been able to find any others taken from the same source. If you notice any mopre please let us know. -Will Beback 02:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pronunciation
How is his last name pronounced? Does it rhyme with "bean", "pain", "pine", or something else? —Angr 22:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I have heard it pronounced like "Bean." 68.116.143.113 15:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
It is a German name and thus should rhyme with 'Wine'. - Hesselius
According to Harold Schechter's book Deviant, his name is pronounced to rhyme with "fiend". Caligulathegod 05:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wikilink to "Deviant"
The article refers to a book by Harold Schechter, titled Deviant. This word "deviant" wasn't wikilinked, so I did that. It directs to an article that describes the meaning of the word, but I will create a 'disambig' page and start an article about Schechter's book as well. There is a lot of printed material out there, and a lot on the Internet, about Ed Gein and what he did. Anyone with some free time could do some research and really fix up the article. I'll work on it when I can. As sick as this guy was, he serves as the inspiration for a lot of fictional book and movie characters, a lot of rock bands and songs, etc. He will likely continue to have a 'cult' following for generations. Hurrmic 17:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Unreferenced Movies
- Gein was widely believed to be the basis for main character Norman Bates in Robert Bloch's novel Psycho although Bloch later denied this in an interview.[citation needed]
- Leatherface, the homicidal, human skin-wearing villain of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre series, was also based on Gein.[citation needed]
- Buffalo Bill, and Hannibal Lecter the main antagonists in The Silence of the Lambs, were partly modeled after Ed Gein.[citation needed]
- The film See No Evil, with WWE superstar Kane, also depicts some of Ed Gein's relationship with his mother.[citation needed]
- Gein's crimes are referenced in a number of other movies including House of 1000 Corpses, Maniac and American Psycho.[citation needed]
- In the Light of the Moon (known as Ed Gein in the US), a film depicting Gein's childhood and crimes.
- While reading this, it reminded me of Raymond Andrew Joubert, the "space cowboy" of Gerald's Game, someone should review the book and see if it would be worthwhile to add this reference. -CrimsonKing 05:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- There is a 1974 film based directly on the Ed Gein case (with names changed) called Deranged that probably should be included. The film even has its own wiki page. Edit: I noticed that article at one time did include this film but was removed for lack of "reference". What kind of reference is needed? I can't find a single reference to the film that doesn't acknowledge its source as Ed Gein. See the film. It's not a "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" with a character suggested by Gein. It is a direct and quite faithful adaptation of the Gein story with only the names and locations changed. I understand not including every film with a grave robber with mother issues, but not including Deranged in a section about films based upon Gein borders on negligent. Caligulathegod 22:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Popular Culture
This section tends to get way too much unsourced or non-noteable junk in it. I am removing such anytime it shows up. If you want to add something, it better be properly cited or sourced and should also be have direct relevance to Ed Gein, not just any killer who had issues with his mom or dismembered someone. -- Patrick Berry 13:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] He wasn't a cannibal
It was never proven and he never admitted to commit cannibalism. Also according to a National Geographic documentary, Leatherface is based on Ed Gein. 194.46.245.210 18:32, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
