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Why was the name changed? I'm pretty sure #company# #model# is and should be standard. -- stewacide 20:39 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)

No what is standard is marque and model, as Mercury Grand Marquis made by Ford Motor Company or Plymouth Voyager made by Chrysler Corporation ..err, made by DaimlerChrysler Corporation. Rmhermen 20:47 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought it was the name of a Ford model. -- stewacide

I did too. I don't think Edsel ever was (or was ever intended to be) a marque. Hephaestos 22:12 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Yes it certainly was its own marque. It didn't say Ford anywhere on it. It was just as separate and just as similar as Mercury. Rmhermen 22:26 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)

For clarity, I changed the first sentence in the article to plainly state that Edsel was a separate make, different and apart from Ford, Mercury, Lincoln and (at the time) Continental. Rmhermen has it right. . . it's make (or marque) and model, eg. an Edsel Pacer or a Ford Maverick.

In addition, I also expanded under "Edsel's failure" the quality control aspects relating to Edsel's failure. Lastly, I added to the Comet discussion how the Edsel cars and the Comet were styled in similar ways, showing how these cars share Edsel "family identity." 209.221.223.134 23:51, 30 May 2004 (UTC) avnative

Was Taunus a marque in America? This article contains the only mention of that fact that I've seen. Sounds interesting! --SFoskett 15:49, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

I have heard of this outside Wikipedia. I do know that some Taunuses did have 'T A U N U S' on the front, rather than the more familiar 'F O R D'. Stombs 10:57, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

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1 copyedit
2 Removal of Betamax and Chevy Chase references
3 Lincoln Pricing mention
4 GA failed

[edit] copyedit

Can someone check on the copyright status and editing of this edit? It's massive and good, which usually indicates a copyvio, but I couldn't locate it on the web... --SFoskett 15:29, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

I'm reverting it. Besides the copyvio possibility, the anon. ed. jettisoned a lot of previous work. There's info that can be included, but a new anon should not be making massive deletions. Pollinator 01:31, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

What's a copyvio? 66.120.86.154 23:26, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

A copyright violation. --Metropolitan90 04:43, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of Betamax and Chevy Chase references

My rationale for removing the references for the following two references within the Edsel article are listed here, and if either of these two references are near and dear to your hearts I hope that you will read through my reasoning:

1) Betamax - while Betamax didn't win the battle over which form of video tape recorders won domination (VHS) in the marketplace as the standard in the industry, Betamax did provide superior playback capabilities, and was a strong contender in its early years. If anything, Betamax was a victim of Sony's tight control on the licensing and sharing of its technology, as well as the high cost of Sony players. I liken the battle between Betamax/VHS to Apple/Microsoft with one huge difference - the physical size of Betamax tapes made it impossible for inexpensive machines to swap formats unless they contained an adapter or a two cassette layout.

2) The Chevy Chase Show - I removed this reference because in popular culture because its more a "blip" of the moment than a colossal failure that we still don't sit around talking about after, (how many years?) This may be something that people in the entertainment industry may talk about, but if you go up to the average person in the street and mention his name, are they going to remember a this show, or National Lampoon's Vacation?

While I can appreciate these two examples, I think that the "Edsel" name continues to have enough of its own weight behind it, along with the selective imbedded links, and scholarly books on the Edsel to carry the legacy associations with its names. Now had the name association been made along the lines of mentioning Michael Chimino's Heaven's Gate (film) or the AMC Pacer, then I could see the relationship to things that costs millions of dollars and cost people their careers or threatened the survival of a major US Coprotaion. Stude62 14:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lincoln Pricing mention

In 1958 Lincoln models sold for higher prices than there Cadillac counterparts and the Continental Mark, which though was not officically a Lincoln, but would later inspire the Mark Series, rivaled the 1958 Rolls-Royce in terms of its pricing. Fact is that the Contiental sold for more than twice as much as the top-of-the-line Cadillac; thus, I beleive that the statement, "Lincoln competed not with Cadillac, but with Oldsmobile" gives readers a false impression of the era's luxury market and should be removed from the article. Besides. lets not forget that Lincoln built the era's presidential limousines. Thanks. Regards, Signature^brendel 07:50, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA failed

For the following reasons :

Too many POV sentences, here are a few examples :

The car brand is best known as the most spectacular failure in the history of the United States automobile industry.

For the 1958 model year, Edsel produced four models, including the larger Mercury-based Citation and Corsair, and the smaller, more affordable Ford-based Pacer and Ranger.

It was promoted by a top-rated television special,

Other less-touted but more enduring design innovations included a primitive attempt at ergonomically-designed controls for the driver, and self-adjusting brakes (often claimed as a first for the industry, although this was not so -- Studebaker had pioneered them earlier in the decade).

Edsel and its failures; "The aim was right, but the target moved" , a section name.
I don't understand the table.
The section Edsel in culture shoud be a prose text and not a list. Lincher 14:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)