Talk:Eurocopter Dauphin

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[edit] Merge Harbin Z-9G and Z-9

• Support. Both articles refer to the aircraft as copies of the Dauphin, either license-built or reverse-engineered and both articles are stubs that would fit the Variants section. --Born2flie 02:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

• Support. For reasons above. However, if they are not merged here, they should at least be merged together. - BillCJ 02:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

• Support merging the two articles together. Oppose merging Z-9. Given that the Z-9 is a licenced produced copy rather than just a local designation, and that the Chinese have made substantial modifications and their own variants, I think Z-9 can stand as a seperate article. Compare, for example Westland Whirlwind (helicopter) as a seperate article from Sikorsky H-19, and Type 56 assault rifle as a seperate article from AK-47. FiggyBee 22:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

  The recommendation is to merge both Z-9 articles to this article. Both are stub-class articles, and the Z-9 describes it being a stop gap until the Chinese complete their WZ-10 helicopter. I'm just not sure if you realized that was the discussion. --Born2flie 02:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Of course I realise that was what you were suggesting. I was simply agreeing with BillCJ's suggestion that the two extant articles on the Z-9 should be merged together, whilst disagreeing that they should be merged into this one. Just because an article is a stub is no reason to merge it into another article, and I think the Z-9 is distinct enough from the Dauphin to warrant its own article. Additionally, take a look at the pages that link to Z-9 - they are specifically Chinese defence topics and it is helpful to link them to a page specifically about the Chinese version of the helicopter.FiggyBee 13:51, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I have redirected Harbin Z-9G to Z-9, so that removes the question of merging the two articles. FiggyBee 13:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

If we don't merge the Z-9 with this one, we need to rename it the Harbin Z-9 to conform with WP:AIR's naming conventions.

Agreed, and done. FiggyBee 01:39, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

For the time being, I don't think we're going to get any more votes, so I am supporting not merging the Z-9 with the Dauphin. Hopefully the article will be expanded in the near future, or merger is likely to be proposed again. - BillCJ 18:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not talking about merging it forever. In fact, merging it may serve as the impetus for someone to improve it enough to split it back out as its own article. --Born2flie 02:10, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I've had a go at fleshing out the Z-9 article a little... it's not much, but it's a start. What do you think? FiggyBee 02:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the merge tag from this article for now. I'll leave the one on Harbin Z-9 for a while longer. FiggyBee 02:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure there was a concensus established one way or another for the merge. I understand that the Z-9 has had modifications, but they mostly consist of "strap-on" modifications built onto the airframe and not true modifications to make it a totally different airframe. Essentially, they remain license-built Dauphins with locally produced modifications. If I install a different avionics suite than the manufacturer offers, I don't change the nature of the aircraft, even though I may have to do rewiring or bolting on other pieces of equipment to make it work. Z-9=Chinese-built Dauphin, nothing more. --Born2flie 03:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MSP Picture

I have a great digital photo I took about a year ago of Maryland State Police "Trooper 1" landing in a field. I'm assuming to medivac an injury as it was right next to a concrete plant and workers and firemen were milling around near edge of the field. Would the community be interrested in another picture or is there too many already? If so, how do I upload? Thanks GarrettJL 19:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)