Talk:Extramarital sex

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Contents 1 Non-Abrahamic Religions 2 Merge Proposal 3 Alternate Merge Proposal 4 Swinging 5 accuracy 6 Another merge suggestion

[edit] Non-Abrahamic Religions

From the looks of it, only the Abrahamic religions care about extramarital sex. Maybe I will get around to contributing here sometime when I know more on the topic, but in the meantime I would appreciate it if someone could expand this article to cover some perspectives of other religious groups. AliaGemma 02:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Proposal

Comments and votes on the merge are here.A J Hay 22:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alternate Merge Proposal

This article seems largely to be a duplicate of the Sexual Ethics page. Kasreyn, can we maybe find some middle ground here, this is really starting to get silly. Since you hate the premarital sex article so much, but it just boggles my mind to what end creating even more articles about this kind of stuff is going to do, how about we delete this page or merge it and premarital sex into the morality and legality section on Sexual intercourse?JFQ 02:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

As I've stated elsewhere, I did not create this page, I merely suggested it. I suggest you learn how to use the History function; it's a very powerful tool and it boggles my mind that you've gone as far as you have as a Wikipedian without knowing how to use it. I can hardly imagine living without it! Kasreyn 10:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

The Sexual Ethics page seems much broader in scope than this page. In fact, this page seems to be an expansion of the Marriage subsection in the Sexual Ethics page. I would support putting a "main article: extramarital sex" in that Marriage subsection, and keeping this page.

The Sexual Intercourse article is already very long, and I don't see a good argument for adding even more information into it. The morality section should really be a summary of the Sexual Ethics page, broader information than what is contained in this article. I do not support a merge of this article into that section. Lyrl ^Talk _Contribs 14:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Swinging

Is it considered to be extra-martial sex too?

If it involves sex between two people who aren't married to each other, yes. —Angr 07:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Only if they are married to other people. Sex between consenting adults that are not married is called fornication by some, or just sexual intercourse generally. Atom 01:29, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] accuracy

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Extramarital sex is the act of having sex out of wedlock. This includes fornication, but is not only confined to it, including also adultery

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I've always understood it to mean adultery, i.e. sex by a married person with someone other than the spouse. Was I wrong? Michael Hardy 03:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I've always understood it to mean sex between two people who are not married to each other. Whether one or both of them happens to be married to someone else is irrelevant. —Angr 07:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

"Extra" meaning "outside of" and "marital" meaning "marriage." Extramarital sex is any sex outside of marriage.

The included definition of adultery is also incorrect. It includes a married person of either gender who engages in sex with someone other than their spouse.

[edit] Another merge suggestion

Well, I think the articles about Fornication, Zina (Arabic) and Extra-marital relations have so much in common content that they could be merged into this article.--MaGioZal 00:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Strong support See Talk:Fornication and Talk:Premarital sex for previous discussions and votes on similar merge proposals. Kasreyn 04:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Extra-marital relations is now a redirect (it was redundant to begin with, and as written was Islam-centric); anything worthy of salvage can be placed here. Fornication and Premarital sex might be mergeworthy, though they are subsets of extramarital sex and are therefore separate subjects. Zina (Arabic), I would argue, appears to be a specific sharia legal concept and likely deserves a separate article simply because it assumes a certain context separate from the general idea of extramarital sex; they cover the same acts, but the Arabic word seems to have a specific connotation that does not exist outside Islamic jurisprudence. Haikupoet 06:14, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I think the Zina (Arabic) article could be merged into as a specific separated section of the article.--MaGioZal 06:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Zina (Arabic) is an article about the Islamic jurisprudence of the topic, the article needs to be there. And the title name seems appropriate. However, a article summary could be inserted in this article. Oh, wait, it already does. --Striver 13:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

dont merge this with extramarital sex... extramarital sex is sex outside of marriage whilst one is married. pre-marital sex implies the complications of contraception, under age sex and the legal issues that accompany it, and religious perspectives on the topic. now please, let the Douchebagness stop and the flaming ensue. User ?

Strong Oppose: to merging either Zina or other "sexual mores" articles - An article that fully covered "extramarital sex" to encyclopedic depth would be very very very large. So far the article just begins to cover various cultures and societies. Historical variations and conflicting attitudes within each society and the degree of "practice" of the stated rules and whether the rules are "meant" to be practiced or are just a public statement of an ideal and private practice is considered largely unrelated to the stated morals, and what actually determines private practice, are unaddressed to date. And if thats the whole of it I'd be very surprised. With this volume of information in mind I see separate articles on different areas within "extramarital sex" as being the way to go. "Zina" appears a good example of this. Although already it appears that lumping all of Islam, for all time, together is going to produce far too large an article in the future. 21st Centuary Arabic zina is probably very different 14th centuary Turkish zina. Differentiate. SmithBlue 07:36, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Oppose, extramarital includes both unmarried people and adultery, which are very distinct issues. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 19:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC)