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I think it would be clearer to make an article for ENS as a whole and one about ENS (Ulm) since some things in the article are True for all ENS (eg studies) but other apply to Ulm (introduction, alumni).

Was Bourdieu ever professor at ENS? He was a professor at the Collège de France, though, but ENS? David.Monniaux 08:51, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

No, you're right. He was agrégé there but apparently taught at the Ecole des hautes études en sciences sociales. I guess I conflated the two. OK, I'll go remove the edit and put him in "famous normaliens." j.s.f. 22:20, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

I agree it would be clearer to have a specific page for the ENS Ulm, and probably keep this one for information relevant to all four ENS. - Aridd, Oct. 12, 2005.

On the other hand, only Ulm is called the "École normale supérieure" period, the other ones are "...de Lyon", "...de Cachan", etc. Maybe we could have "École normale supérieure (Ulm)" and "Écoles normales supérieures", with "École normale supérieure" being simply a disambiguification page? --Gro-Tsen 16:44, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Évariste Galois never got to ENS. Take a look at the McTutor site for exemple.

He entered the ENS in 1829, taking the word both of every single biography of Galois I've ever read and of the official directory of ENS alumni (I just checked). And MacTutor does not say the contrary. You may be misunderstanding the sentence “Galois therefore resigned himself to enter the École Normale”, which means that he did enter the École Normale (what he resigned himself not to enter was the École Polytechnique). --Gro-Tsen 08:42, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I removed Évariste Galois from the list because he never got to ENS. "In 1828 he attempted the entrance exam to École Polytechnique, without the usual preparation in mathematics, and failed. In that same year, he entered the École préparatoire, a far inferior institution for mathematical studies, where he did find some professors sympathetic to him.", this is from the article about Galois from Wikipedia and it complies with what I read about him.

The ecole preparatoire was a substitute for the ENS that had been suppressed during the Restauration period. (At that time, the ENS was inferior to polytechnique.)--2514 12:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fields medalists

Should Grothendieck be on that list? He began studies at ENS but left and completed his PhD elsewhere. On the other hand, he wasn't exactly French.

I would say no — at least, not in the main list. It might be mentioned that both Grothendieck and Deligne attended courses at the ENS, but neither can be counted as a French fields medalist (Deligne is Belgian and Grothendieck was stateless at least for some time) nor as an ENS alumnus. --Gro-Tsen 12:28, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

The ENS does not deliver degrees, so any student who went to the ENS, even for a year, can be considered as an ENS alumnus (the alumni refered to themselves as ancients élèves de l'ENS - former students of ENS - not as graduated from ENS). 82.242.236.21 18:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ecole normale supérieure

Note that the official name of the Ulm establishment is "École normale supérieure", not "École normale supérieure de Paris" or "École normale supérieure de la rue d'Ulm". However, because of the awkward situation of having other establishments called ENS-Lyon etc., people often call it merely "Ulm" or "ENS-Ulm". David.Monniaux 17:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)