Image talk:060309 3rdGenLRVMockup01.jpg
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[edit] To be replaced?
Per the ability to take LRT photos, please see the rules section. There is a photo ban, so it is unknown whether we can indeed take pictures within the station (or even in their offices). I've been caught once already by the LRT guards (yes, I uploaded this photo due to that rule). --Sky Harbor 11:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- The (unsourced) information on the article is "Without the written consent of the LRTA, photography of any kind is banned inside the LRT, although local and foreign media outlets are usually exempt from this restriction.". I don't think the necessity to ask for permission before taking a picture makes it specially harder to produce free images for these places. --Abu Badali 21:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- It's not mentioned on their website, but I have (or had) a letter written to the LRTA administrator (unfortunately, no reply) that asks if I can take pictures for this article. I was told by a guard at Vito Cruz station one time that you are not allowed to take pictures, most possibly for security reasons. --Sky Harbor 00:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Unlike the regular trains in service, getting a free picture for this one is very difficult, if not, impossible for a regular person, since this one of a kind mockup is located on the LRTA headquarters. As for the first picture of the LRT article, it's a bit dark, but how about this image then? Or you could replace it with this image and put the 2nd generation train picture on the rolling stock section instead. --Mithril Cloud 06:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Then again, the issue here is not only this picture, but all images on the LRT article and related articles that are licensed under PD-PhilippinesGov. It is unduly difficult enough to get a picture when a guard (all the way to the head guard) at Vito Cruz station tells you you can't and makes you go to the LRTA office just to ask permission, but to receive no reply from their offices thereafter. There are also pictures that there might be almost no free alternatives to, like the LRT in its construction stages and earlier trains. --Sky Harbor 09:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- No choice but to take those photos out then. --Mithril Cloud 09:38, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- As in we just get rid of the pictures? I understand circumventing procedure by taking pictures without getting caught, but how are we going to replace some of the other pictures? There's an alternative of the MRT-2 train in the Metro Manila article, but what about everything else? --Sky Harbor 12:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Taking new photos of the trains and stations won't be a problem. But since we cannot get a free alternative for the construction picture and the third-gen mockup, how about putting a fair use rationale for the pictures? --Mithril Cloud 12:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- I would suggest keeping the following: the picture of the first-generation LRT train (the first picture of the article), the construction picture and the third-generation mock-up. I left a request on the Tambayan for a free alternative to the current map, and we will need pictures of MRT-2 to compensate. I would suggest a gradual replacement; that is, when these pictures are orphaned and replaced with the free pictures, they can be deleted. I'm surprised you're not caught by the guards. --Sky Harbor 12:28, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- And I'm surprised that you were caught at Vito Cruz. Did you take pictures near the guard? At first I thought that the photo ban is only implemented at the Purple Line. --Mithril Cloud 13:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Apparently not. At that time, there was no sufficient notice that explicitly said "NO PHOTOGRAPHY", so I thought I can take pictures anywhere, and I did so near the guard (but I did successfully at Gil Puyat, away from the guard). So, for Baclaran to Libertad (excluding EDSA station), I took pictures inside the train. --Sky Harbor 13:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Guess what, the alternative MRT-2 picture might get deleted as well. --Mithril Cloud 15:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- I'm aware of that. --Sky Harbor 03:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- Guess what, the alternative MRT-2 picture might get deleted as well. --Mithril Cloud 15:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Apparently not. At that time, there was no sufficient notice that explicitly said "NO PHOTOGRAPHY", so I thought I can take pictures anywhere, and I did so near the guard (but I did successfully at Gil Puyat, away from the guard). So, for Baclaran to Libertad (excluding EDSA station), I took pictures inside the train. --Sky Harbor 13:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- And I'm surprised that you were caught at Vito Cruz. Did you take pictures near the guard? At first I thought that the photo ban is only implemented at the Purple Line. --Mithril Cloud 13:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- I would suggest keeping the following: the picture of the first-generation LRT train (the first picture of the article), the construction picture and the third-generation mock-up. I left a request on the Tambayan for a free alternative to the current map, and we will need pictures of MRT-2 to compensate. I would suggest a gradual replacement; that is, when these pictures are orphaned and replaced with the free pictures, they can be deleted. I'm surprised you're not caught by the guards. --Sky Harbor 12:28, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Taking new photos of the trains and stations won't be a problem. But since we cannot get a free alternative for the construction picture and the third-gen mockup, how about putting a fair use rationale for the pictures? --Mithril Cloud 12:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- As in we just get rid of the pictures? I understand circumventing procedure by taking pictures without getting caught, but how are we going to replace some of the other pictures? There's an alternative of the MRT-2 train in the Metro Manila article, but what about everything else? --Sky Harbor 12:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- No choice but to take those photos out then. --Mithril Cloud 09:38, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Then again, the issue here is not only this picture, but all images on the LRT article and related articles that are licensed under PD-PhilippinesGov. It is unduly difficult enough to get a picture when a guard (all the way to the head guard) at Vito Cruz station tells you you can't and makes you go to the LRTA office just to ask permission, but to receive no reply from their offices thereafter. There are also pictures that there might be almost no free alternatives to, like the LRT in its construction stages and earlier trains. --Sky Harbor 09:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Unlike the regular trains in service, getting a free picture for this one is very difficult, if not, impossible for a regular person, since this one of a kind mockup is located on the LRTA headquarters. As for the first picture of the LRT article, it's a bit dark, but how about this image then? Or you could replace it with this image and put the 2nd generation train picture on the rolling stock section instead. --Mithril Cloud 06:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- It's not mentioned on their website, but I have (or had) a letter written to the LRTA administrator (unfortunately, no reply) that asks if I can take pictures for this article. I was told by a guard at Vito Cruz station one time that you are not allowed to take pictures, most possibly for security reasons. --Sky Harbor 00:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Okay, so here, I believe, are the pictures that should stay:
- The one of the first-generation LRT train above the one with the members of the Japanese House of Councillors
This picture of the third-generation train mockup- The construction picture of the LRT in 1984 (?)
Let's see if they can indeed stay. I hope they do. --Sky Harbor 11:18, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- Those pictures should really stay because finding a free fair use replacement is impossible, and they are vital to the article. --Mithril Cloud 12:23, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Perfect timing for the LRTA. Look who just arrived. :) --Mithril Cloud 08:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] fair use rationale
I updated the deletion time to 7 more days, please include the above information in the fair use rationale on the image description page. For more information see the fair use criteria or Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. - cohesion 06:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- I have added a fair use rationale to the three images, why were they deleted? --Mithril Cloud 09:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
