Talk:0 to 60 mph

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Contents 1 Started page 2 Added to catagory automobiles 3 Reasons for deleting table. 4 GT500 5 Request for comment 5.1 Statement by Thernlund 5.2 Statement by Dgies 5.3 Statement by Wilfw 5.4 Statement by Petershank 6 Its funny 6.1 Took out all duplicates

[edit] Started page

Speeddemonvegas 07:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added to catagory automobiles

also added lotus. Speeddemonvegas 02:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

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I added Ferrari and cobalt supercharged to list. 68.224.14.81 05:14, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reasons for deleting table.

I've deleted the table that listed a selection of cars' 0-60 times for a number of reasons

• Heavy US bias
• Concerns about advertising
• Incompletability of table -- It would come down to the same as List of cars if it were to be finished

tommylommykins 15:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The table is not mearly a list of cars, it is a list of the fastest cars in the US market at a given price.

No bias toward advertising example is given, and the cars of are different manufacture. More vehicles are foreign then domestic. Your act amounts to vandalism. 68.224.14.81 07:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I do not wish to take part in a flame war, however I do feel that the stringent criteria for including cars to te list are wrong:

• because American magazines are listed as the only possible sources, only American readers of certain magazines (also inadvertantly creating advertising material) to add material.
  • Therefore only cars in the american market to be included; A US magazine would not have so much incentive to write about a European or Asian car
  • The magazines only have a certain size, not every car on the market can be included, thereby creating a bias to the more profitable car compannies, who may pay to have their cars written about
• Only 'new' cars may be included:
  • Most cars are old, therefore the list forbids the entry of most cars
  • The definition of 'new' is unclear, all cars were new once; what if a model was not superceded by an updated model?
• The sorting by price has nothing to do with 0-60 times; By sorting cars into the best for their price, they are highlighting which are better or worse in that respect: This is, In my opinion advertising, although not deliberate.

Finally, There is an overall concern that the table does not enhance the readers knowlege of a 0 - 60 value. I believe it does not.

tommylommykins 18:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GT500

Sorry, but the GT500 is quicker to 60 mph than 4.5s That's an old number. I'll find you guys a new one from a real car mag CJ DUB 17:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for comment

RfC request added at technology RfC page. My views have been stated earlier on in the talk page. tommylommykins 19:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Statement by Thernlund

That table looks absolutely terrible. I'd be inclined to remove it based just on that. However, I'll also say that I don't think price has anything to do with the subject of the aricle. IF a table of cars and their 0 - 60 times were to be added, it should include a broad range of cars (all the way from a Honda Civic to a Lotus Espirit), and should have only average times WITH references. A simple two column table, if any.

But again, I'd ice that current table in a heartbeat if there wasn't an in-progress debate (which, according to the history, Tommylommykins did... rightfully in my opinion). It looks like crap. Thernlund ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 00:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

what is average? define it? The table has referenced times. I suspect you are infact the same as user Tommmylommykins. 68.224.14.81 06:04, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Ummm... no. I'm not the same user. Can't imagine how you came to that.

When I say average, I generally mean a published source that is NOT a single magazine issue. Several published times from different sources should be averaged together. But hey, I do recognize that a single magazine issue might be the only available source. So long as it's sourced I guess. Thernlund ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 12:55, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Statement by Dgies

The table as previously included is essentially trivia. Wikipedia is written for a general audience, and this table was full of detail only of interest to sport car enthusiasts. There is also no criteria for which sports cars should be included in the table, so it would grow to include every sports car and few if any general-use vehicles.

The sort of table which would be of interest to a general audience would only list the car model, possibly the engine type, and the 0-60 time, but it would list a wide variety of vehicles, from economy cars, mainstream sedans, minivans, SUVs, and tractor-trailers, in addition to some of the more notable sports cars. —Dgies^t c 18:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Statement by Wilfw

A table of 0-60mph times would - I believe - be best suited to its own page, or as an addition to other articles about cars.

What could be useful would be just a few examples of 0-60mph times, but not in a table form. From the current article, the reader has no real idea of the time taken for 0-60mph except for "It is usually less than Quarter mile time". Personally, as an outsider looking at this article, I don't find that very helpful. Times such as the fastest 0-60mph car, and perhaps what a more common time would be for a 'consumer' type car, as in-line text. Wilfw 16:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Statement by Petershank

I agree with Dgies and Wilfw. The article is about the concept. A few typical examples, from cars in 4 or 5 categories, would help put it in context, but I don't need or want a list here. Make another good article such as Cost/Performance Comparison of Street Cars, etc.

[edit] Its funny

Instead of editing why not just make your own table on the same page and reference your sources. You dont like what the table says? Scared of the facts? Fine list all the 0 to 60 times yourself in a seperate table on the same page, but the tables relivence stands. Mymazdatribute 08:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I've added a speedy deletion tag to the duplicate of the table on this page you created at Lowest_0_to_60_acceleration_for_a_given_price_for_vehicles_sold_in_the_USA.. The discussion over the table ought to be centralised at this page. tommylommykins 18:55, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Took out all duplicates

now only fastest vehicles 0 to 60 by price remain, the table is more accurate now 68.224.14.81 08:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)