User talk:24.161.92.75
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Please do not add commercial links (or links to your own private websites) to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. You are, however, encouraged to add content instead of links to the encyclopedia. See the welcome page to learn more. Thanks. Hadal 04:14, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
So much for wikipedia being maintained by the community... I guess it's just another front where a powerful few control all the information. I posted links on RELEVANT pages to my site hudsonvalleysojourner.com. These links linked directly to the page related to that community. My site is a community site where we have HAND AGGREGATED 3000 links to websites in our region. Obviously you spent 0 time looking at the site because if you did you would see it's not commercial. All the sites listed are listed there for FREE. The only money involved is the basic google adds we run to cover the costs of hosting our site. We're not getting rich over here trust me.
I didn't write an automated script to spam your site, I went in by hand and added relevant EXTERNAL LINKS in the relevant category. I'm not sure why you bother having an external links section if you don't want relevant external links in it.
Anyway if you take 1 second and actually look around the site you'll see that we're not selling anything, you can't advertise on the site, purchase a listing or anything else.
I just got back last month from the blogging and society conference and some wikipedia folks where they were talking it up. I guess I know what my topics for conversation will be at the next conference I attend with them. Getting their "maintainers" under control.
I also think it's interesting that you don't want any commercial links yet the site is filled with them. Take the photoshop page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoshop
It is basically an advertisement for photoshop. Encyclopedia's don't usually make statements like: "Photoshop is generally considered one of the best (if not the best) image editing programs for raster graphics".
It also links to very noncommercial sites like: http://www.photoshopcafe.com/ (couldn't actually find any content around all the ads) http://www.eyewire.com/ YES http://www.eyewire.com/ !!!! No content at all only expensive images
Obviously I could go on and on listing overtly commercial ventures listed in wikipedia. What I would ask is that you reconsider adding my relevant community site back into the directory so that people who actual visit the region can find the information about the region they need.
[edit] Why did you take off my links?
So much for wikipedia being maintained by the community... I guess it's just another front where a powerful few control all the information. I posted links on RELEVANT pages to my site hudsonvalleysojourner.com. These links linked directly to the page related to that community. My site is a community site where we have HAND AGGREGATED 3000 links to websites in our region. Obviously you spent 0 time looking at the site because if you did you would see it's not commercial. All the sites listed are listed there for FREE. The only money involved is the basic google adds we run to cover the costs of hosting our site. We're not getting rich over here trust me.
I didn't write an automated script to spam your site, I went in by hand and added relevant EXTERNAL LINKS in the relevant category. I'm not sure why you bother having an external links section if you don't want relevant external links in it.
Anyway if you take 1 second and actually look around the site you'll see that we're not selling anything, you can't advertise on the site, purchase a listing or anything else.
I just got back last month from the blogging and society conference and some wikipedia folks where they were talking it up. I guess I know what my topics for conversation will be at the next conference I attend with them. Getting their "maintainers" under control.
I also think it's interesting that you don't want any commercial links yet the site is filled with them. Take the photoshop page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoshop
It is basically an advertisement for photoshop. Encyclopedia's don't usually make statements like: "Photoshop is generally considered one of the best (if not the best) image editing programs for raster graphics".
It also links to very noncommercial sites like: http://www.photoshopcafe.com/ (couldn't actually find any content around all the ads) http://www.eyewire.com/ YES http://www.eyewire.com/ !!!! No content at all only expensive images
Obviously I could go on and on listing overtly commercial ventures listed in wikipedia. What I would ask is that you reconsider adding my relevant community site back into the directory so that people who actual visit the region can find the information about the region they need.
- Wikipedia is not a web directory. Your links don't add anything encyclopaedic to the geographic articles in question. Whether a site linked is commercial or not doesn't matter, it's whether there's relevant encyclopaedic content. Furthermore, adding links on such a large scale unilateraly is bad form and should have been discussed first, which would have saved you the effort of adding them and us the effort of removing them. --fvw* 05:31, 2005 Jan 9 (UTC)
- Please calm down. Whether your site is commerical or not does not change the fact that you were spamming Wikipedia. Self-promotional editing is held in low regard here; if you had limited your linking to a few choice articles, they would likely still be there. I'd like to believe you maintain your site purely out of altruism, but the fact is that you make your money via advertising: Adding your link to as many Wikipedia pages as possible is a good way to increase your site's PageRank and subsequent traffic. As for your Photoshop examples, feel free to remove any links you find excessively commercial; as was stated in the spam template above, Wikipedia is not merely a collection of external links. It should also be noted that, in general, external links are not contributions. Wikipedia is not Dmoz or Google Groups. If you have useful content to add to our articles, we would appreciate it greatly.
- May I suggest you re-add your link to Hudson Valley and leave it at that? (There are ways to "formally" complain about an administrator's actions, but I'd like to think we won't have to go down that road.) -- Hadal 05:39, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
FVW are you kidding me? relevant encyclopaedic content? Where? Is proclaiming Photoshop the best editor encyclopaedic? Check out the news reader page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_aggregator for great encyclopaedic info like "easy to use RSS and ATOM aggregator. FREE unlimited trial.", "CNET's editor's choice.", "allows webmasters to easily add any RSS or Atom XML feed to their website.", "Completely free." and has an external links section which is just about 100% commercial.
I guess the problem for me is I just listened to a bunch of wikipedia people talk on and on about how great this "open" community is and we should all be supporting it. And you post relevant content and it gets kicked out. Do you guys have a background in creating "encyclopaedic content"? And why would I participate and take down these commercials FVW when my first experience has been that if you add anything nobody is going to check it out and they'll just revert your changes.
If you want to call $75 a month commercial than fine. I'm not selling viagra, cell phones, or any of that crap. I'm not spamming for page rank. The term Hudson Valley isn't some big money maker.
If external links aren't content then why have them? In fact I think you have it all wrong, linking is the heart of the web. Linking to people with better more specific content is what it's all about. That's what my site does, it links people to where they can get information on what they're looking for. And as for driving traffic in the 3 days the links were there they sent a whopping 20 visitors. I thought it would make the listings more complete since most of them are nothing more than worthless old demographic info but I guess I'm wrong, maybe there's alot of interest in that stuff.
Anyway I'll leave it to you guys to decide where and if you want to put any of my links back up.
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