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[edit] East of Eden issues
I have not made any changes to East of Eden since February 1, 2007, so I do not know why you say I have been reverting changes. In fact, the last time I reverted your changes was January 14, 2007. Furthermore, since discovering that Nancy might be misleading people about the Steinbeck family, I have not asked her for any more help with my case.
However, the artists referenced at East of Eden do not need to be Steinbeck-approved to be included in the article. The Steinbeck family does not own Wikipedia, nor does it own any article on Wikipedia—not even articles about John Steinbeck or his books! Please read Wikipedia:Ownership of articles.
The musicians mentioned in the article are simply people who were inspired by the book, East of Eden and wrote songs very loosely based on the story. I do not see how there could even be an issue with the songs. What exactly are the licensing issues you are talking about? Is there new legislation making it illegal to find inspiration in other works? Even if they were infringing on Steinbeck copyrights, those songs should be included in the article. There is an entire article on cultural references to the novel The Catcher in the Rye and many other novels have similar pages. The weak pseudo-legal arguments you have been giving me suggest to me that you are, at best, a young member of the Steinbeck family who is barely involved in legal issues.
The Ron Howard thing is a different matter, and I don't think it is too important whether or not that information is in the article. I am fine with leaving it out. But you are trying to tell me that Hollywood directors would be deterred if they saw that someone was already slated to direct the movie. This implies that Hollywood directors come to Wikipedia to look for job openings! This borders on absurd. Steven Spielberg is not looking for a new movie to direct by sifting through Wikipedia articles on upcoming movies.
So basically:
- I have not reverted East of Eden since January 14. Don't harass me about it.
- You don't own the article on East of Eden.
- The songs influenced by the book don't need to be licensed to be mentioned in the article. Some books have entire Wikipedia articles just about their cultural influence.
- Hollywood directors have time-honoured resources for finding work (usually producers approach them).
You should also read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Since you claim to be intimately involved with the subject at hand, you shouldn't even be editing these articles at all. If you do not like the way things work at Wikipedia, then I suggest you ignore the site altogether. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 06:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- I really don't understand what you are so upset about.
- Secondly, there are numerous copyright issues that are highly complex issues. And frankly, copyright infringements are our major concern. We spend allot of money trying to protect the rights of these brilliant properties that Mr. Steinbeck worked so hard to create all of his life. When Bruce Springsteen did "The Ghost of Tom Joad": thinking that it was in the public domain; he later came around after discovering his error and became a champion of protecting those rights and ultimately championing the legacy of Steinbeck's work. After offering to do a concert to raise money for one of the museums, he went out and bought all new equipment rather than ask the museum to pay the freight for his stuff at the west coast show. Now that's a great musician that deserves his own legacy!
- Those that download free music and use copywritten material without permission tend to be the ones that you don't hear about for long. We appreciate that you've decided not to bother with this anymore as I don't imagine we'll be hearing about those musiicans for long. Other than the Ana Nalick (sp?) girl. In a way, you did us a favor by bringing to light how many young musicians love Steinbeck's work. As long as they are within their rights, then it is wonderful to hear from them. On the other hand, we usually license the works if a musician asks for rights.
- Actually, maybe you can help me with something. You seem to know allot about copywritten material. Are you up for it?
- Catbird222
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- I am not getting mad. Way back in December/January (whenever this started) I did get pretty mad, but now I am not. My issue is that "Tom Joad" is a character created by Steinbeck—the name itself was his creation—and I agree that using that name would be a legal problem (as Springsteen came to realized). But simply writing a song inspired by the story would not be a problem. That is the way art works. It finds inspiration in other works of art. So, a song called something like "The Ballad of Cal Trask" would be a problem, but a song inspired by Cal Trask would not.
- Anyways, what sort of help do you have in mind? − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 12:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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