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Is there a reason this article is titled "Age of Mythology/Temp" rather than "Age of Mythology" or "Age of Mythology (computer game)"? If not, it should be moved. LordAmeth 14:22, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_Of_Mythology Kakashi-sensei 12:26, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Should we add a cheat section?User:Thorton01:08, 12 October 2005

[edit] Added cheat section

I added a cheat section, just to notify all you people. It could use a little work, could you help me there? I don't use wikipedia a lot.71.131.41.130 20:00, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

I'll see what I can to do help, even though I started wikipedia like a week ago. User:Thorton

Honestly, I wonder if we really need a cheat section. This is not a gaming website, and Encycllopedia, in my humble opinion, typically don't have stuff like game cheats. See WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information. Greenleaf 10:57, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

The Age of Empires articles have cheats, so why can't this article?Energie 01:58, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't see them. IMHO, they should be deleted too. I'll see to that. I hope you'd get my point - we have a link to cheat site, so if someone wants to see cheats (and not ready to Google for "AoM cheats") then he can visit that link and see. Typically, people don't go to an encyclopedia to find game cheats. Greenleaf 02:02, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Done. See, article on Half-Life 2 is much better, because it discusses the background - overview of the game, how it sets itself apart from others, technical details etc - not just a whole bunch of cheats and other stuff available in any fan site. We don't need to replicate fan sites here, because there are enough of them out there - and anyone who's smart enough to use wikipedia would be smart enough to use a search engine as well. An encyclopedia's strength is not providing ALL information at one place - as "your one-stop AoM guide" - but in providing enough information to understand a subject fully, and to provide a reader with info on where to go for more detail. One doesn't need to learn cheat codes to understand what AoM is - only a gamer would need cheat codes, and it's highly unlikely that a gamer would consult wikipedia as a guide to his game. Greenleaf 06:38, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

In Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games, it specifically states that one of the things that does not belong on computer game pages are: "Lists of cheats or codes. Some codes may be notable and suitable for articles, such as the famed Konami Code, but the method of performing a code that's confined to only a few games and has no special claim to fame is unsuitable for Wikipedia." Since the Age of Mythology cheat codes are NOT important on the level of the Konami Code, there's no reason to include them. Thunderforge 23:14, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Predecessor?

The article states that "Age of Mythology was always seen as Age of Empires II predecessor". As AoM was released 3 years after AOEII (AoM in 2002, AOE in 1999), shouldn't it read "Age of Empires II's successor"?

fixed this y'day. Greenleaf 06:38, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Energie's quote moved to section above, because it's related there. Greenleaf

[edit] Special Section?

Where should the stats for units like Osiris and the Guardian go? User:Thorton

I forward that. I think units only in the campaign (such as the Guardian, the Living Poseidon Statue, and Kastor) should have a section all their own.Energie 03:22, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh and Thorton you can sign comments by typing four tildes (~~~~).Energie 03:24, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Titan

In the god power section, somebody wrote that "bolt" doesn't kill a Titan. However, Titans are not in Age of Mythology. They are only found in the expansion pack. So if you wanted to say what you did say, add it under Age of Mythology: The Titans.Energie 03:18, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Article size

Now, I know Age of Mythology is 41 kilobytes long, and it is supposed to be longer than preferred. However, is it really? I mean, there's just a lot of useful information.ЄИЄЯפЇЄ 21:55, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, the article size warning is automatically generated after the article reaches a certain size (I think 32 kilobytes}. ςפקιДИτς ☺ ☻ 06:59, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I am going to say this in case anybody has not figured out yet. I really, really, really, really, really, really like Age of Mythology. I still play it. Who, besides me, really likes the game?ЄИЄЯפЇЄ 21:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mistakes

I sure as hell Do. There are two mistakes in this article. Mistake 1: Ballistas are not Land siege units, they are only present on certain Naval units like the Siege Juggernauts. Mistake 2: In AOE2 which I have, there are Merchant ships which are pretty much just naval trade caravans but there aren't any in Age of Mythology as this article states.

There are Ballistas in AOM, It's created from the Norse Hill Fort in the Mythic Age. Solidsnake204 18:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:TOCleft

Personally, I don't like how the article looks like with Template:TOCleft. I'd like to get other people's opinions. ЄИЄЯפЇЄ 01:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scenario Editor

I notice there's no section on scenario design for AoM. I have only just finished all the campaigns for AoM and the Titans, and barely even played around with the editor, so I'm not qualified to write about it, but it would be nice if someone from say AoMH could do a little write up on this area, I notice they often get left out of articles for these sort of games.

You can go to AoMH yourself and go from there.

[edit] Bolt god power...

well, I'm a big fan of AOM, and I thought I'd point out that bolt does not kill the enemy unit. instead it inflicts massive amounts of damage. this can be seen best with the scenario editor by adding an enemy guardian to a map, then playing under zues. it dealls approx. 1000 damage to the affected unit, I believe. I will explore this further, and post my results --198.53.138.109 19:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it's around 5000 damage; I tried it on the Living Poseidon Statue. The point is, there aren't many units that have 5000 health, so it usually kills a unit. ЄИЄЯפЇЄ 19:45, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I kept blighting Cronos with it in the final scenario of the Titans campaign, it dealt about 2500 damage... me is confused. mxuxl1 04:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Armor?--Kookoo275 03:47, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Aye. Kronos has armor. It should be 5000 damage. For clarity's sake we should just say it kills the unit because there aren't going to be plenty of units over 5000 health unless you play scenarios, which aren't quite common in AOM as in AOE. Aranherunar 14:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good article nominee

I am happy to announce that I have nominated Age of Mythology for good article status. It does follow good article guidelines. ЄИЄЯפЇЄ 05:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Do not agree. There's plenty of things the article needs to clean up. For example the Gods section - it's totally messed up. The Archaic gods should be listed as Major Gods instead. Nor does it provide any data on the ability and bonuses of the gods. Aranherunar 14:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Failed GA

Basically, no sources, far too many lists (not "well-written"), no real-world info (Reception, sales, reviews, etc). Reads like an FAQ, with its overly detailed lists of units, relics, and whatnot. As someone who has never and will never play the game, why do I care that the Ankh "Provides a steady trickle of favor"? (Edit: Also: No gameplay section. What the heck?) Nifboy 06:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reworking the Article

I agree wholeheartedly that AOM is one of the greatest games ever, but this article is needlessly long and most of it is simply a summary of fan websites like AOMheaven or AOEplanet. In fact, the entire units, relics, heroes, etc. section can be summed up with an external link to one of these websites providing better, more detailed, and more in depth information. [1] In summary, the primary purpose of this page should be to inform someone about Age of Mythology as a video game, giving a good objective review and summary of what to expect if you were to buy the game. Hence, it should be reworked. --Abur 09:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Units

Shouldn't the human units go before the myth units? They do in the manual.

[edit] Shortening article

Personally, I think the whole thing needs to be shortened. It's a great game, I agree, but this whole thing reads like the instruction manual that comes with a game. I say, cut out most of the storyline, and add some stuff about the game itself, such as real life reception, figures, Et Cetera Et Cetera.

[edit] Continuation?

AOM is not a continuation of Age of Empires, people. Just because it has the name "age" in it, and a very similar scenario editor to that of AOE 3, doesn't change the fact that its a unique series. Lettuceclock 04:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Storyline

It doesn't make sense that the AoM story should be in the article introduction. It should really be in its own section, so I'm doing that. If I screw it up, please fix it :DG1ggy 05:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

This article is a ridiculous size at the moment, completely in violation of WP:NOT (Wikipedia is not an indescriminate collection of information, eg a game guide, instruction manual). It does not need a list of every single unit, building, race, etc. Seriously, you'd find less information on Gamefaqs. Even the storyline section is completely overdone. I'll give it a couple days to see how people feel, but I'll probably just go mad on the article after that. +Fin - 08:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I decided to go ahead and start the cleanup effort. I used the StarCraft article as a model as it has reached Featured Article status and the Age of Empires article since I helped with the cleanup of that article as well. I removed items that were not on either article and condensed many of the descriptions into more helpful sections (particularly for those who have never played the game and don't care about all the statistics of the units). I'll go ahead and say that I know that there are errors in what I've written. I admit that it's been a very long time since I've played the game. Also, there's some things that I just forgot about when I was writing. So PLEASE fix up what's there, even if it's minor. Right now, I haven't compacted the story because I can't remember enough of what's important in it. Also, I know that there are sections that are completely missing (a scenario section and one for how sales and reactions were and all). So that still needs to be done. Thunderforge 23:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I "expanded" the storyline section, but it was more of adding one paragraph, condensing some others, and making it more readable (it was just one huge block of text before)... it's still long, but I don't see how it's any different of a movie's story summary or the like. I agree though that without a gameplay section, the lists are there for no good reason. Also, we could use screenshots from the fan kit on the official site (and by the way, just added that link all hurried up, 'cos really, no external links?) since they'd be under the "promotional kit" copyright rationale, right? --Roberto C. Guión 05:53, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Good work guys! I still think the storyline section is a bit too long, but it's much improved! Thanks! +Fin - 08:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to applaud Falcon9x5 for taking the initiative of shortening the campaign story. However, I feel like the story is a bit too short right now, as it only focuses on the opening movie. As I mentioned previously, I'm using StarCraft as a model for what this article should look like, since it became a Featured Article. You'll note that StarCraft has general information about the campaigns on the main page. More detailed info is on another page (should we try that too?). I think we need to work on that area a bit more. Thunderforge 22:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I didn't actually shorten the story myself, unfortunately, but thanks to whoever did! I've never played AoM, so I didn't think I should edit something when I didn't really know the significance. I just pushed other people to do it =) +Fin- 15:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I did it - I think what's needed is literally two lines about each of the campaigns - since I've never played it - that's upto one of you guys! :) --Charlesknight 15:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I like the article. It's to the point, and doesn't ramble, and is not an indescriminate collection of information. It could still use a bit of other stuff, such as sales of the game.ЄИЄЯפЇЄ 01:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

When I was revamping the article, I removed the section with myth units and consolidated them briefly into a paragraph. Now I've taken a look at the article again and it's been returned! I don't want to start an edit war, but I truly don't believe that a list of units really belongs in an encyclopedic article. Compare to StarCraft, a Featured Article about an RTS game. It has no lists of specialty units. Therefore I firmly believe that no such list should belong in this article. If someone feels otherwise, please say so. Thunderforge 02:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stone?

In the article it says that you can gather stone in AOM, stone does NOT EXIST in the game so it should not be mentoned in the article 211.27.43.225 05:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it was an oversight on my part. I copied some of the information from the Age of Empires article (since it is similar) and modified it to pertain to Age of Mythology. So it's mea culpa. Sorry about that. Thunderforge 23:43, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Structure

In my opinion, the article is poorly structured and does nothing but ineffectively advise the reader on more or less basic gameplay mechanics. The campaign should be listed under a single player section or something similar. Relics, buildings, units, etc. should be placed in their own section and probably watered down in order to keep the article to the point. The scenario editor, cheats, etc. should be toned down. We do not need to list the cheats; a link to a reliable list of cheats elsewhere would be enough. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Car (talk • contribs) 04:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Trivia

The amount of "trivia" that relates to this game comes in such large amounts that a single fact seems inadequate and pointless. Either the removal of the trivia section altogether or a large increase of facts would be my recommendation. —The preceding The Car 04:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC) unsigned comment was added by The Car (talk • contribs) 04:50, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Requiring Cleanup... Again...

It seems to me that this article is regressing into the state it was before it required cleanup. Before, it had many unnecessary information that turned the article into a game guide, which Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and Video Games has clearly stated should not be the case. This article was tagged for cleanup and much of the unnecessary information was removed. Now all that information is creeping back in again. I'm compelled to remove it all... again, but I wanted to just say all this first in case anybody had other ideas. Thunderforge 01:33, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Atlanteans Anyone?

Where is the info on the Atlanteans? They are a group in AoM also. Shouldn't we give knowledge about them?

Captain panda Mussolini ha sempre tarche Quis ut Dues 03:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC

[edit] RE:Atlanteans anyone?

For your information the atlanteans are in the EXPANSION. this is the original. go to the age of mythology: The Titans wiki to get the information on them.

82.12.86.64 12:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

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