Talk:Alienation effect
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 14:21, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Requested move
| Proposal : | Alienation effect → Alienation effect |
| Rationale : | According to Wikipedia's naming policy, article's title should be in English. |
| Proposer : | Neo-Jay |
[edit] Survey and discussion
Please add * Support or * Oppose followed by a brief explanation, then sign your vote using "~~~~".
- Query : But is Verfremdungseffekt how this device is known in the industry? If so, I'd say keep present title and let redirection take care of "Alienation effect" or other translations (I note the paragraph in the article beginning "The best English translation of Verfremdungseffekt is a matter of controversy..."). Regards, David Kernow 11:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- Support: Based on Google's search, "Alienation effect" is more often used than "Verfremdungseffekt" in English world. And it is stated in this article that alienation effect is "probably the most common translation". Using "alienation effect" as the title can make this article easier to be found by google search on the Internet. --Neo-Jay 17:56, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Film theory is something I'm not particularly informed about, but, as a related alternative, I've read and studied more about music theory. If Leitmotif became "Lead subject" or even "Lead motif", for example, I suspect there'd be much confusion. I'm wondering if the same would be true with Verfremdungseffekt. If "Alienation effect" is a redirect to "Verfremdungseffekt", then an internet search should pick it up. Regards, David Kernow 10:25, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- PS: the title of the artice in Encyclopædia Britannica is also alienation effect. --Neo-Jay 06:38, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- Support: To answer David Kernow's query: neither term is used in the film "industry" as Brechtian concepts are not part of mainstream film practice. I've taught film theory in the US for 25 years and when I cover Brecht I introduce students to both terms, but then rely on the English phrase. I think this is probably a common approach. --Jeremy Butler 12:21, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the insight, Jeremy. Best wishes, David Kernow 16:51, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
[edit] (Addition and suggested merge)
This shoud be an article in its own right. I added the cinema bit. Now it should be apprent that the concept is not limited to Brecht. I am doing some research in a related topic and may add to the cinematic aspects of the alienation effect latter. --Collingsworth 22:37, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Will there be more detail coming soon on this topic? If not, it might be better to merge & redirect with Bertolt Brecht, which offers much more context than is here. Joyous 02:58, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] rename to "Alienation effect"?
According to Wiki's naming policy, article's title should be in English. "Alienation effect" is used more often in English than "Verfremdungseffekt". It is easier to be found by google search on the Internet. --Neo-Jay 10:10, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] V for Vendetta
The recently added example from V for Vendetta does not strike me as pertinent. The dead characters still fit within the narrative world and do not break the suspension of disbelief. Hence, the scene is not "alienating." --Jeremy Butler 11:38, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
