Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Tang

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Resistance is futile! Mailer Diablo 17:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Tang

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Delete. Unverifiable Biography, possible hoax. Blue520 07:11, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Unverifiable in English, non-notable in any case. Feezo (Talk) 10:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Feezo, nom. ¡Dustimagic! ^(T/C) 21:11, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• delete as unverifiable. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 21:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as unimportant for encyclopedic reasons. If he is real, that's a hell of a resume. Er, that was tongue in cheek, of course. TKE 02:05, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as important to show the current leaders of China's Nuclear programs. As Chunhe Tang or Michael (English Name) Tang is currently the Head of Division for Nuclear Materials which can easily be verified User: Johnny Zhou 09:05, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as well-known chinese-american professor and an international expert and pioneer in nuclear science which can be easily verified by even the weakest of minds with the simple tool called googleUser: Mich0eL 10:05, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Note the above comment was posted and later edited by User:Johnny Zhou.--Blue520 07:53, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep because Mr.Tang has done great work as a nuclear professor and educatior as evident by his countless awards User: FenderT206 10:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Note: The above is the user's only edit. --Fastfission 04:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep his great accomplishments in nuclear science research have inspired me to pursue a career in that field User: User: linkininki 10:25, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Note: This user's only edits are to this AFD. --Fastfission 04:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This man has accomplished much and should be worshiped for his amazing deeds to society. As a former resident of Beijing i have heard much of what he has done and have even indirectly benifited from it User: User: shanzy89 10:30, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Note this users comment has been restored afer being deleted by User:24.44.52.11.--Blue520 06:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

• • Note: User:Shanzy89's only edits are to this AFD. --Fastfission 04:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The purpose of wikipedia is to provide as much information regarding everything as possible. The accomplishments of Mr. Tang in the field of nuclear science are amazing, and it is a part of wikipedia's obligation to preserve this great man's memory. User: User: hereticalsaint 10:30, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Note the above comment was posted by user:24.44.54.3--Blue520 07:53, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as hoax. -- Grev 04:39, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Wow, someone put a lot of work into this hoax. GrandmasterkaImage:Blend Flag.jpg^{Impart wisdom} 04:51, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I'm changing my vote to BJAODN. After reading this article closely, it seems that every single sentence is fundamentally flawed in some way; I've never seen anything like this! GrandmasterkaImage:Blend Flag.jpg^{Impart wisdom} 06:09, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment to label something as a mere hoax without actually checking the factuality of the statement defeats the whole concept and purpose of wikipedia...if one may simply scroll down the page or enter a simple search engine..they can easily find that Professor Chunhe Tang is not what u call a "hoax" but rather..surprisingly on the other side of the spectrum —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Johnny Zhou (talk • contribs).

There are a lot of outlandish claims and obvious problems with the article. They start at the third sentence: "He was almost immediately born as an orphan because of his parents's subsequent exposure and fall to the AIDs virus and the perpetual lacking of clean drinking water." There is exactly one confirmed case of AIDS from the 1950s, and it was stored plasma from someone in Sub-Saharan Africa in 1959. If he was born in 1959 this means his parents had to have both died from AIDS in 1959 or 1960, long before it was known to exist (the next single known case is in 1969.) This sentence is obviously false and I think much, if not all, of the rest of the article is too, and I won't waste my time checking every single claim in here. GrandmasterkaImage:Blend Flag.jpg^{Impart wisdom} 05:55, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Before nominating this article I did attempt to check the factuality as it stood at that point in time and a found it to be unverifiable from English language sources. The article has been extensively modified since and in no way did the article contain any information about Professor Chunhe Tang when I nominated it for AfD.--Blue520 08:34, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per above --Khoikhoi 06:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Rather than deletion, maybe we should advocate a simple clean-up of grammer usage mistakes and Chunhe is the chinese name of Michael as mentioned before—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.251.48.66 (talk • contribs).

• This user changed the implausable "AIDS" to malaria without verification. TKE 23:17, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete and BJAODN" as i know that this is a joke vanity article. Mike Tang is actually a student at Amity High School, and he admits that he created this article as a joke, furthermore, he openly encourages his friends to "help keep Wikipedia from deleting his page"Draganta 17:49, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Obvious hoax. Link given ref's somebody in China doing research there by 1970. According to article born in 1959. So he got his quadruple degrees in, um, 11 years? A genius, yes. "... lecturning local farmers about the future power of nuclear energy during his five hour lunch break." Ahh, wait, surely he would have had to _study_ during those lunch breaks? "... the power of nuclear energy to end both world hungry and certain types of STDs." This is so obviously another creative writing exercise ... Shenme 17:58, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Michael is a popular name in America and Tang is the most popular name in China so to have a another person attend the same high school is not rare...but rather very likely. Thus the former reason does not make sense at all. To the subsequent comment, genuises do leave on this earth and are able to use the energy of nuclear power to light and operate equipment and facalites for scientists in the pursuit of curing STDs. A possible editting might be needed but not as drastic a step as a deletion.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Johnny Zhou (talk • contribs).
• Keep Ever since I stumbled upon this article, I have been captivated by this overwhelmingly intriguing biography and have done some extensive research thereafter. Micheal Tang does indeed exist and continues to be a major contributer in the nuclear sciences. In my sincerest opinion, it would only be rightous that such a remarkable individual be kept on Wikipedia for the general public to access. User: MexicanDude500 3:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment That's interesting, because aside from claims from users with no contributions who just registered, I can't find an editor on here with any credibility that can verify this article. You got links? You've been researching you say. Give me books, give me bios. Don't give me crap that Second Lieutenant in the US Marine Corps has the power to discharge. TKE 23:06, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
• Note at the time of posting there is/was no user User: MexicanDude500 the coment was posted by User:24.44.52.11.--Blue520 06:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment It is quite intresting indeed because some users on wikipedia might not remember that they too were once "newbs" on this site by nevertheless wish to contribute just the same. Just because u dont have a long list of contributions behind you does not mean you have not spent hours on hours reading articles from this site and gaining experince on how this site works. Instead of labeling articles as "crap", one might take the less agressive approach to suggest change and actually SCROLL DOWN THE PAGE to find the link. I m sry to inform u that this is not a page on Geroge Washington or Newton, but rather a page on a smaller figure of science and education. Though his contributions to science were just as important, there have not been countless sources written about Mr.Tang yet. Well initially, this article has a base. Though small, it is there and one should attempt to EDIT and HELP and PROVIDE SUPPORT and CHANGE rather than partake in a warpath with lists of accusations. A person of experince should rather, in my opinion, take the time to find the correct info and edit the actually article. Besides, experience should fear the vitality of youth. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Johnny Zhou (talk • contribs).
• Comment: This whole discussion is ridiculous. I can find eight sentences in the entire article (yes, I counted them individually) that do not have a serious problem with them (logic, an extremely improbable statement or otherwise.) Please stop wasting time (yours and ours.) GrandmasterkaImage:Blend Flag.jpg^{Impart wisdom} 01:04, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
• CommentNews Flash: Improbable things happen....what one may think is improbable might be the norm for another —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Johnny Zhou (talk • contribs).

• The Case is Closed. Look at User:Johnny Zhou's, the creator of the article, first version before he took off into this little land of bad, unfunny fiction [1]. TKE 22:02, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Naconkantari e|t||c|m 23:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete obvious hoax, as outlined above. --W.marsh 23:35, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Unverifiable + implausible = probably a hoax. At the very least, definitely doesn't belong in Wikipedia if it unverifiable, which even the author claims. Fact that the only "keep" votes are obvious sockpuppets and/or friends really cements the case. --Fastfission 04:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Believe my children believe in the truth...have faith for all the extra info was from a personal phone interview with the professor himself. Anyone who wants his number can request it by email. —This unsigned comment was added by Johnny Zhou (talk • contribs) .
  • Note: I have struck out all of the clear duplicate votes. All of the other "keeps" are no doubt sockpuppets or meatpuppets as well, of course, but having not run a CheckUser I won't cross them out. --Fastfission 23:22, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
    • As a consolation to Mr. Zhou, this should get a sock puppet award. It's up there with Spanjo, but more creativity in the article space. TKE 03:16, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
      • I will say this once: those ppl are not "sock puppets" ...they r inhabitants of my district that feel passionate about the professor. THEY ARE NOT SOCK PUPPETS ...OMG...HOW MANY TIMES MUST I REPEAT IT....ALL THE ppl voting for deletion ARE SOCK PUPPETS and MEATPUPPETS..ur accusations r just as baseless as this one...and one more thing...life is creative if u want it to be and mr.tang did do just that —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Johnny Zhou (talk • contribs).
        • Yes. You, Mr. Mike Tang of Connecticut, are being very creative with your life. I was giving a compliment, backhanded as it was for your biography. However, any rational person can identify about a dozen historical discrepencies on a quick scan alone: first being that the real Professor Tang lives in China, as can be found on your reference to the real professor's website.. At this point, I'm only carrying on the discussion because you continue to insult the intelligence of every person on Earth with this posturing. TKE 18:52, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
          • Thx you for ur compliment, I m honored. I've never said that the professor had any relation to me but rather that the chinese community of my area held him in high regards thus "creativity" is not the main point of the issue but rather that of mere "truth and facts." You may take out what u feel is ..as u deemed "historical discrepencies" for wikipedia is a land where "anyone can edit" even u! Johnny Zhou 04:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Johnny Zhou (talk • contribs).
            • It's fun, isn't it? Look, I've got the article archived so I can put in WP:BJAODN, so your fame shall live on- never fear! And please sign just by typing four tildes (~), it puts in the username and date. Thanks. TKE 03:01, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

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