Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Revenge of the Sith trivia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep/merge adding merge discussion tags. W.marsh 02:05, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revenge of the Sith trivia

deprodded by anon IP. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collector of information. Thatcher131 16:02, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

• Merge whatever useful (and verifiable) trivia there is into Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith, then delete.--み使い Mitsukai 16:31, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment A lot of these trivia points are identical to those found on the IMDb.com entry for the film. This article could be construed as a copyvio.  (aeropagitica)  17:07, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per Mitsuaki. If the IMDb confirms this material, that's fine; and this is not a copyvio if it's being used in a fair use manner to illuminate a larger article. Alba 17:11, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per Mitsukai. PJM 17:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, flat out. There's more than enough unsourced Star Wars trivia on here already. Kafziel 17:19, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Comment This was forked off from the main article on March 9. Fair Use would not apply to wholesale copying of all or most of the IMDB trivia to WP even in the context of a larger article. Under fair use guideline, brief selections of copyrighted text may be used, but only with full attribution and only when the purpose is to comment on or criticize the text quoted. from WP:CV. Fair use does not allow wikipedia to act as a substitute for the original copyright holder. Thatcher131 17:23, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. -- Krash (Talk) 17:38, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. If copyvio, it would not seem to be fair use since there is no larger body of original work surrounding that which is taken. Esquizombi 17:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge, but most of this should be removed in the process since it is not encyclopediatic. Where ^(talk) 18:34, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge, but shorten it considerably. Most of this stuff is really obscure and unneeded, but some of it, like the part about it being the only SW film not nominated for a visual effects Oscar, might be useful if it's verifiable. BryanG 21:13, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge, most of this information is just a copy of the trivia on the Revenge of the Sith page. Jedi6-(need help?) 22:28, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, I am the creator of the article. This trivia was taken from the original Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith article. The article has gotten extremely long, so I branched off the trivia and the references to the original trilogy. If you find some of this to be too biased toward rumors and speculation, I suggest a cleanup. If you wish to merge it back with the original article (which is currently at 43KB down from around 82KB) then I will not stand in your way. But to delete it is ridiculous since most of the information CAN be sourced (it just hasn't been). The Filmaker 22:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

It seems the biggest problem most have found is not that it can't be sourced, but that it's so sourced that it verges on copyright violation. Kafziel 01:21, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

• Merge, no article is ever too long, lad. All of this is noteworthy, and I hate to see this hard work deleted. - XX55XX 23:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
• Source, cull, and merge back to ROTS. -- Saberwyn 01:16, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
  • This needs a serious trim down. There's the mention that a sound effect may be shared between this movie and the Holiday Special. There are coincidences (two different SW actors winning the same Razzie in two seperate years for portraying two totally different characters), allusions to other fictiona universes (I saw a similar scene in Harry Potter, so it has to be mentioned here). There's trival. There's subtrivial. Then there's some of the entries in this list. -- Saberwyn 01:31, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

• I trimmed out the copyvios from IMDB and the more cruftier elements. (Although apparently the Harry Potter allusion was noticed by John Williams who wrote it into the score--that's one of the imdb items that I removed.) It's maybe still a little long, but I'm not in the mood to trim any more. Ready to merge back if that is the consensus. Thatcher131 03:30, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

• Merge significant information. Deckiller 21:15, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge after filtering out duplicate/insignificant info and rewriting to avoid copyvio if necessary. --BinaryTed 16:54, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
• MergeTutmosis 03:15, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge - Those information can be all put on their respective articles—but only the truly important details and such. —Mirlen 04:15, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.