Talk:Athens Polytechnic uprising

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Contents 1 Peasants involved in the uprising 2 Collapse of the Junta 3 Students of the Athens Polytechnic killed during the uprising 4 Manufacturer and model of the tank 5 About the victims of 17th November 1973 6 List of the Polytechic Uprising victims

[edit] Peasants involved in the uprising

I deleted the word peasants. There were no peasants at the Athens Polytechnic uprising. The term "workers,peasants and students" is a cliche but looks too politicaly correct and most of all has nothing to do with truth. The fact is that the military junta had many followers between the peasants since the "donation" of all farmers loans.

Even if some farmers wanted to participate at the uprising that would be very difficult since there were no peasants in Athens and the events were really fast.

I think that there should be a seperate article on the junta of the Colonels. I can help, but my knowledge is rather limited. Or is there one already??

[edit] Collapse of the Junta

The Greek military junta was not really overthrown, but collapsed a little later under the weight of its unpopularity, incompetence, and, most important of all, its Cyprus failed coup attempt. It is arguable that the Polytechnic uprising quickened the junta collapse by dispelling the pretense of popular acceptance of the junta's democratization plans, which would probably have maintained an active role for the military in public affairs. Dianelos 07:31, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Students of the Athens Polytechnic killed during the uprising

This is one of the most controversial topics regarding the uprising: although several civilians (some of them children and even the case of an infant!) are documented having been killed in the crossfire of the Polytechnic uprising, there is no documented reference to any actual students of the Athens Polytechnic killed at the time. Despite this, in popular opinion tens (or even hundreds!) of students of Athens Polytechnic were killed. This claim has occasionally appeared in the Wikipedia artice too. Yet, this is not the case, and it does not pay homage to the memory of those who were actually killed to fabricate ficticious victims. It is interesting to note that every year on November 17 wreaths are lain on a monument within the Polytechnic that inscribes the names Athens Polytechnic students who were killed while fighting for freedom -- not in 1973, as there were none then -- but during the resistance in the 1940s. If anyone can provide verifiable references to Athens Polytechnic students who were killed during the Polytechnic uprise, please post them and I will acknowledge my error. But please refrain from any ad hominem attacks, I am only trying to set the record staight. Rastapopoulos 08:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

rastapopoulos: i dont think theres any well documented evidence on the issue. from what i know (i.e. what i ve been told, read in secondary sources etc) we can only be sure that some people were killed during the events (more or less what is written in the article)- whether these people were literally inside the polytechneio or not, how many they where etc i really dont know. when i return i ll search for more, but i dont think i ll find anything more than what is in the article. --Greece666 00:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

It was never an issue whether the people killed in the uprising were students or not. The police was shooting to kill randomly in the streets of athens at that time, and this resulted in a number of deaths, although the exact number is disputed. That's a fact. The only reason to say that there was no student killed is to support the junta's official version that police was defending itself against 'anarchist elements' attacking police officers. This of course is a lie, as everybody knows that police snipers in nearby buildings were shooting to people at random.

the arcle haw few more problems

1. "1973 found the junta under Papadopoulos having undertaken a "liberalisation" process of the regime, which included the release of political prisoners and the partial lifting of censorship, as well as promises of a new constitution and new elections for a return to civilian rule. This created a power vacuum for leftist and generally democratic elements to undertake political action against the junta".

"Liberalisation" created a 'power vacuum'? in what sense?

no time now, i;ll be back —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.205.225.170 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Manufacturer and model of the tank

anyone knows them, to include them in the article?

The tanks were the French-built AMX-30

Γιατι το AMX-30 ειναι το πιο εξυπνο τανκ? Γιατι μπηκε στο Πολυτεχνειο χωρις εξετασεις! LOL Mitsos 17:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About the victims of 17th November 1973

The answer about the victims of the 17th of November 1973 can be found on the 14/10/1974 findings of the prosecutor Mr Tsevas who has been put in charge by the goverment, in order to find what happened that night. His report is full and complete in order to provide all the facts of that night along with the name of the victims.

[edit] List of the Polytechic Uprising victims

Seriously, does anybody knows the names of the "victims"??? lol An artice like that shouldn't be on WP. I mean saying that "there is no real agreement on the number killed" is not encyclopedic. Mitsos 17:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)