Talk:Battle of Bregalnica

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What a bunch of nonsense - do you people read the stuff you actually write? The "Aftermath" paragraph is pure fiction - "bow to the inevitable" is not something that a history book would include. The casualty figures are funny too - they basically say "yeah, we've no clue how many people the Bulgarians lost - but bet that they were more than the Serbs" (which is not even true by the way). And how does the next battle - Kalimantsi even fit in with the idiocy in this article. This is clearly not written by a historian and has the potential to "enlighten" only some local nationalist, who'd like to feel good that his country at some point actually won a battle. This is not serious - and is not history. - Mladen

Ok cool down. While I didn`t write the article, I have the source in question and the casualties are indeed taken from there. If the figures are false then it is (Serbian historian) Savo Skoko`s fault, not this article writer`s. Apart from the Serbian casualties from the article (in this battle), the book puts the Bulgarian casualties in the whole 2nd Balkan War (on all fronts combined) as 93.000 (KIA, MIA, POW & WIA). The assumption that the Bulgarian casualties are higher is also from the book that states that it is rational to assume that at least a third of those casualties came from this battle. If you have some other figures(and I assume you do since you claim that the Bulgarian casualties were lower), please post them since I would personally like to hear the Bulgarian version of the story (you`re from Bulgaria, right?). The Savo Skoko`s book in question does contain at least a slight pro-Serbian bias in my oppinion, but you should likewise acknowledge the possibillity that Bulgarian historians on their part tried to downplay their nation`s greatest defeat in the Second Balkan War.

Veljko Stevanovich 31. 10. 2006. UTC+1

As much as I don't want to be dragged into an argument over pseudo-history (see my comment above regarding the language used in this article - "bow to the inevitable"???!), I feel compeled to reply to your question about the casualty figures. Hopefully you might learn something - and hopefully the source that I cite will convince you that Serbian history books are not really about history. Then again - my experience is that no matter how good the facts, a lot of people just believe what they want regardless. You can decide for yourself what makes more sense. - Mladen

Total figures for Bulgaria: Total mobilization: 607 422 Killed: 44 862 Wounded: 104 584 MIA: 7 824

Second Balkan War: Killed: ~18 000 Wounded: ~30 000 MIA: (this is for all four fronts in the war - Mladen)

Source: Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Report of the International Commission to inquire into the Causes and Conduct of the Balkan Wars, Great Britain, 1914, p. 378. Ibidem, p. 385

Thnx for the info - the source seems neutral. To tell you the truth the 93.000 Bulgarian casualties in 2nd BW indeed seemed a bit high to me. If we use a 1/3 of Bulgarian casualties (from your source) in 2nd BW for Bregalnica and assume that the posted Serbian casualties are correct, that would amount to roughly the same casualties for both armies. I think that the Bulgarian casualties were somewhere between 16.000 and 20.000, but that's just my oppinnion. We need more sources for this battle in particular. But you're wrong if you think that Bulgarian history books are much better then the Serbian ones. See this text and find the word Bregalnica in it.

Veljko Stevanovich 9. Feb. 2007. 22:15 UTC+1