User talk:Ben W Bell

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Note for all users I shall make any replies to comments on my talk page here on my talk page. I feel this allows everyone to see a consistent conversation rather than one spread across multiple pages.

Archive 1 - Beginning to September 2006

Archive 2 - September 2006 - 10 January 2007

Contents 1 Uigan Exile 2 Caterpillar Power Loader J-5000 3 Lough Neagh 4 Boazon 5 Deep Fried Mars Bar 6 Regarding 193.63.62.188 7 Civility 8 Regarding vandalism to your page by 201.71.156.21 9 Jeff Stewart 10 Recent comments 11 Three Questions 12 Northern Irish people 13 Thanks 14 Northern Ireland towns are under UK 15 Thank you Ben 16 How to back up complaints 17 Vandalism 18 Apology 19 Mopping Up 20 Name of the State 20.1 See also 21 Maps 22 Irish entomologists 23 Flag of Northern Ireland debate 24 County Derry 25 R113 Regional Road 26 reversion 27 WikiProject Aviation Newsletter delivery 28 3RR 29 Astrotrain 30 Canterbury 31 British Isles 32 Starship Troopers (novel)

[edit] Uigan Exile

Have been checking out the Ballymaguigan page of this site and must say it is very good ! It's a pity you can't get the county's name correct !! It should be County Derry and as Ballymaguigan is 100% nationalist you should respect the people who live there !! I have followed the history of this page and see that edits made by user martinglee were changed back by yourself. All the edits which this user did were 100 percent correct ! The housing development is not known as the Island Hill, it is located on the Island Hill, completely different. Martin Lee did not die when he was 19, he died when he was nearly 18 if fact it was 1 week before his 18th birthday. I think if you looked at the user's name martinglee - it would have given you a clue that this user might know a bit more about the Troubles and the Ballymaguigan Martyrs than you do. Oh and finally, there is no such word as thsi, that's why it was changed to 'this'. Don't insult my or martinglee intelligence and put all those edits back !! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Uigan Exile (talk • contribs) 07/02/2007.

I have corrected the spelling and the local knowledge edits, but I have not changed the county name. The county is called County Londonderry, and has never been called County Derry, that is simply a local name put upon it by people who do not like the inclusion of the word London in the name of the county. County Londonderry it is and on Wikipedia it is called County Londonderry as that is the only official name that it has. Changing of County Londonderry to County Derry is considered POV pushing and is not accepted on Wikipedia. See WP:IMOS. Ben W Bell talk 07:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Has never been called County Derry???? You must be out of your mind son. The County is still called county Derry by the entire nationalist population of the North as well as virtually the entire population of the south. I think the context of the article should be the basis of which version to use. Article about the north of ireland in general should use Londonderry so as not to offend those who see themselves as british. Similarily, if an article is distictly about a nationalistic subject, place, person etc, it makes sense to use County Derry. When giving place name in irish, theren is no version of Londonderry. Derry is the anglicised version of Doire, whetherit refers to the county or the city. Londonderry has no irish equivalent, Therefore i feel it should be excluded from this page. Nevertheless, I am fully aware that my point of view will be hotly contested, and as a consequence I suggest a compromise for both sides. Both versions should be given, out of respect for both side of the argument, and both groups of people who live in ulster. To simply say Londonderry is the only correct term is pure bigotry, with a side helping of stubborness and ignorance for dessert. Anyway, i have now updated the article to reflect this change. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.137.0.9 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Caterpillar Power Loader J-5000

Hello,

I would like to know why you deleted my contribution citing “(supposed to be a Caterpillar Power Loader J-5000)”? Any evidence this is wrong (A Google search did not give much info)? You mentioned nothing on the summary.

Thank you for your answer.
David Latapie (✒ | @) 03:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, it took me a while to figure out what you were talking about. Infuture could you state which article you are discussing especially with such an old edit. I removed the reference as it had nothing to do with the article, it was simply an external link added showing a person making a power loader halloween costume. As such it had no encyclopaedic content whatsoever to add to the article. Ben W Bell talk 08:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lough Neagh

Thank you very much for catching that so quickly. How embarrassing; I really shouldn't edit so late at night, I guess. Doops | talk 08:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem, we all do it. Ben W Bell talk 09:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Boazon

Thanks for beating me to the reversions. I ahve already reported him at AIV --Spartaz 11:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I now see that reporting him to AIV was redundant. Good job ;) --Spartaz 11:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deep Fried Mars Bar

I feel that the mistake the article made should be included in the article because it will correct a misunderstanding that some people who read the arrticle have. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zbl (talk • contribs) 15:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Regarding 193.63.62.188

This IP is from Craigie High school. Just to warn you that you should block anon users from using this IP only, not all users, as I have my own account at TheLH. I didn't do that vandalism, it was some immature kids. 193.63.62.188 13:04, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Just asking if that block you gave was full or anon only. TheLH 17:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Civility

I was referring to myself after Arcayne called me a right wing nutjob and a loony, my edits paranoid nonsense. This was because I added a movie review by a Catholic and was told that doing so violated NPOV because he was Catholic. Check the history first and you'll see both the prior provocation and my subsequent attempt to make the peace despite my continuing disagreement over interpretation of NPOV. Agent Cooper 19:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding vandalism to your page by 201.71.156.21

Hi, I just reverted vandalsim to your talk page by this IP. It seems that this user is targeting you after looking in to his edits. Maybe its time to block him? User talk:201.71.156.21

Posted by: Hdt83 | Talk/Chat 23:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the reverts and I appreciate the concern. I get this a lot, some people on both sides of the Northern Ireland argument don't appreciate my neutrality in the topic. I get accused of being a Republican stoolpigeon and a Unionist bigot in the same day some times by some people. If he does it again I'm sure he'll be blocked. Ben W Bell talk 08:10, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jeff Stewart

Hello, I wonder if you could assist. Before my actions there were two articles about people named Jeff Stewart, one was the American soccer player called simply Jeff Stewart and one about the Scottish actor (in The Bill called Jeff Stewart (actor).

After suggesting a move and receiving no responses I moved the soccer player to Jeff Stewart (soccer player) and made Jeff Stewart simpliciter a disambiguation page. Fine.

However the talk page at the disambiguation page is still the soccer player's (which means that talk page is at 2 places).

Can you

1. delete the disambiguation page's talk page &
2. tell me how to avoid this happening in the future?

Thank you Avalon 23:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah I think I know what happened here. Did you actually MOVE the page using the move function at the top of the page, or just create a new page and copy and paste the items across? If you actually move it it will ask you if you wish to move the talk page as well (or at least it should do) which will allow the history to be transferred with it. Checking it though it appears it has been properly moved. A fix you can do, since there wasn't must discussion on these people, is just to delete everything on the talk page for the disambiguation and explain why in the edit summary. Other than that I'm not sure what else to suggest. Ben W Bell talk 07:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent comments

So you're saying that if I say something and want to take it back, I can't if someone else responds first? It's obvious I wanted to retract an earlier statement - I doubt Hong cares if his comments are removed to. Please self-revert your rv. John Smith's 20:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry but those comments are a matter of record. I can't stop you removing your comments, but you can't remove someone else's without their permission. You can always just put after that you retract your comments, but you cannot go around deleting other people's comments to another talk item just because you've changed your mind. Ben W Bell talk 20:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Three Questions

Ben, are you an administrator, because I couldn't see the administrator globe on your user/talk page? Second, this IP was a shared address. Third, if you know how to make bots, could you please weigh into the discussion of having a bot to put the Shared IP addresses on IP's talk pages. I notice that vandalism is high right around 12-3 p.m. EST. So, if we have a bot tagging all of these IPs as shared, this will lessen collateral damage for users on the network who want to edit Wikipedia. Real96 19:40, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

1 - Yes I am an administrator, but no I don't advertise that fact on my User page, I don't see the need to tell people I am one. 2 - Yes it is a shared address, but it has a lot of vandalism, it won't affect people who have accounts though only the anons who are vandalising. 3 - I could weigh in, but I'm one of the people that think that people who seriously want to edit should have accounts, and if they have an account they won't be stopped when an IP gets blocked due to the default being only IPs only on the blocking now (and I see no reason to ever turn that off). I'll have a look at it. Ben W Bell talk 19:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Northern Irish people

For people born before 1920 in the area that now constitutes Northern Ireland, are you suggesting that they should be categorised as Irish people or what? If so how do we denote their being part of the heritage of Northern Ireland, or their Ulsterness, or whatever you want to call it. Perhaps they could be categorised as both Northern Irish and Irish people?? Ardfern 20:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

...for sorting out the vandalism to my talk page and dealing with the IP vandal. I have no idea why I was targeted, unless I caught something they were doing under a username and got angry. Thanks, though! Tony Fox (arf!) 16:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Northern Ireland towns are under UK

Northern Ireland towns are under UK and we speak English NOT irish

[edit] Thank you Ben

Ben W Bell, first an d foremost, I apologise for my lack of experience in relation to my edits. Through my inexperience, I appear to have got your back up, on a subject that you obviously view as very important to you, i.e. Londonderry. I see by your web page the you are proud to be Northern Irish, I respect that, that is your point of view, and you are entitled to have it. In any reference that I should use contains the term Londonderry, I will not hesitate to use it. I thought the link for Derry being changed to Londonderry, was very good. But you have changed a reference, i.e. attributed to P.S. O’Hegarty which doses not exist. P.S. O’Hegarty, never referred to “Londonderry.” I know you are not accusing me of being sneaky or disruptive, but through my own admission i.e. lack of experience, I could hardly be accused of using “every editing trick in the book.” I have put together a couple of quotes, in relation to this subject matter. There are a couple of more, though they omit all mention of both Derry and Londonderry, if you would like me to put them forward? Since any edits on this page will revolve around the biography by William Dillon, which is seen by almost every book written on the subject as being the authority on the subject, since it is quoted in almost all, surely the consensus should be to use the term defined. Regardless of the outcome, your “prompting,” has encouraged to produce the best page I possibly can. Regards and thanks, Domer

Book titles are on the John Mitchel Page.

“I have said that the Rev. Mr. Mitchel was stationed at Dungiven, in the county of Derry, at the time of his marriage with Miss Haslett. Here, on November 3, 1815, John Mitchel, the subject of the present memoir, was born.” William Dillon Pg. 8

“JOHN MITCHEL was born at the Manse, Camnish, near Dungiven, in the county of Derry, Ireland on the 3rd of November 1815.”

P. A. Sillard. Pg. 1

“He was born near Dungiven, in County Deny, Northern Ireland, on November 3, 1815. He died in Newry, in County Down, Northern Ireland, sixty years later.”

Seamus MacCall Pg. ix Introduction

“Mitchel was born at Camish, near Dungiven, County Derry, on the 3rd November, 1815, …”

T.F Sullivan Pg. 133

“…was born, on November 3, 1815, at Dungiven in Derry, where his father was a Presbyterian clergyman.”

Brian O’Higgins, Pg. 22

Thanks for sorting the link Ben, I was trying to copy an other User. Domer48

[edit] How to back up complaints

Whether posting to me or elsewhere, it is essential to provide diffs of alleged problems. It is up to you as the complainant to provide proof, not just make allegations. Just in case you're not conversant with this, it means clicking on the history button at the top of the article, talk page or whatever and finding the edit that proves your point. You copy the URL at the top of the page, then put a square bracket either end, as in this example:
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tyrenius&diff=63910624&oldid=63910146]
Then somebody else can go straight to it and see what you're talking about. You should provide all the relevant diffs concerning the problem. Tyrenius 21:37, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

I thought it was appropriate to make an error in that phrase. The "hte" was a way I actually have seen it done, and I thought Internet was the more common term. Sorry. Zbl 21:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

And the deliberate misspelling of Intentional in the title? You've been warned about that edit before. Ben W Bell talk 22:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I was reverted on that, but I figured it was just a disagreement. Zbl 22:10, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Apology

I would just like to apologise once again for what i said before, i wasn't sure if you got my apology before. {from: perdy80}

I did get it, and I replied that I accepted your apology. Good luck in your further endeavours. Ben W Bell talk 08:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mopping Up

Ben, may I express my gratitude to you for carefully going through my various geo-articles and tidying them up. Sarah777 10:12, 22 February 2007 (UTC))

That's okay, it's what I do. I'm generally a fixer and tweaker than a full on editor. Ben W Bell talk 10:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Ben, I've replied to your 'roads' suggestions on my page. (Sarah777 10:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC))

Ben, I would appreciate it if you'd discuss your rather contentious editing of the categories of the 'Irish Roads' series of articles and reach some consensus before changing them. Regards (Sarah777 20:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC))

Ben, if we are going to straighten this out I suggest every road get cat> Roads in Ireland >Roads in RoI >National Primary Route/secondary/regional; the full categorisation; not just making a political point by focusing on "RoI" only.

Otherwise simply use the third sub-cat, as I have been doing (Primary/Secondary/Regional). I have no intention of doing this myself (too much work) - but if you adhere to this policy of correct cat and sub-cats I will agree to the changes. Except that I am still assuming good faith I would suspect that your focus on getting RoI into every article I have created or edited was related to your insistence on retaining the status quo regarding the misnaming of my country. (Sarah777 23:24, 24 February 2007 (UTC))

Ben, I think your pov in the naming matter is on the record (correct me if I'm wrong here). Could you please create a category "secondary roads"; these will be the focus of my work for the next few months? That will allow us implement a rational and acceptable categorisation scheme for 'Irish Roads'. Examination of the roads articles indicates that with the exception of 'primary roads' there was no consistent categorisation over the various articles. While I had not been paying due attention to this issue until recently in most of the pages I created I categorised as 'regional' or 'secondary'; without either 'Roads in Ireland' or 'Roads in RoI'. You have chosen to arbitrarily add 'RoI' to many of these articles, which I removed for the sake of consistency. To further the standardisation process I have alter the categorisation of 'primary roads' to comply with this standard. The remaining work required is as outlined on my talkpage. If you prepared to assist in this project I ask you to adhere to the structure I am establishing. (Perhaps you could reference the 'policy' on the categorisation of Irish Roads that you cite if you have a problem with my solution?). Regards (Sarah777 09:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC))

Ben, it would be polite to actually read and take on board the points I have made before merely repeating your request (and ignoring mine). I have provided for a much better, more balanced and more comprehensive solution. As one who has been doing, and intends to continue doing much of the donkey work I find your attempt to exclude my views on how the articles should be categorised is rather high-handed. With respect - (Sarah777 20:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Name of the State

Well, the name of the State is Ireland. Republic of Ireland is a useful and pre-existing disambiguation term (used by the State itself), but it's not the official name of the State.

I'm in favour of using "Republic of Ireland" as disambiguation where necessary on Wikipedia, but I'm not inclined to push the point.

zoney ♣ talk 10:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, lets move the Northern Ireland ones up a level then into Roads in Ireland (makes no sense having just NI subcategorised when the RoI ones are a level higher. And then I'll see about tidying up the ones that are now in the same category multiple times. Ben W Bell talk 10:52, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes Ben, that's fine. Though maybe not necessary to have "Roads in Ireland" confined to the South only. As I have said on the NI talk page I am quitting the naming row for a month. Call it a trial separation. It is way too distracting and with increasing numbers piling into the row I don't want to be fingered as the one who started a civil war here. My point on the 'road' categories was for the full set; see R752 road for example. It has "Roads in Ireland"; "Roads in RoI" and then "Regional road" Likewise you'd have "Roads in Ireland"; "Roads in NI" and "A-roads" (or whatever). Combined with this the "See also" links should include:

[edit] See also

• Roads in Ireland - (Primary National Roads)
• Secondary Roads
• Regional Roads

This would give a full set of linkages. Some problems - - we need 3 subcategories of 'Roads in RoI' called National Primary, National Secondary and Regional Roads. Two of these exist but the link to the sub-cat 'Regional Road' doesn't seem to work.

- we would (ideally) want a parallel set of NI roads divided into the appropriate classes.

If you can follow what I'm getting at all this is required is for someone to add a lot of links and categories; but this needs to be done anyway to integrate all the various roads articles.

You could add sub-cats of NI or RoI called Motorways and Local Roads (RoI); some editors seem to use those classifications and some don't. What I'm advocating is using the full set of categories (rather than one or two or none according to taste); plus the three standardised links, in the case of RoI roads.

Mind you, this would only be a start; much more standardisation needs to be done and, for example, a separate article on 'National Primary Roads' would make the categorisation much neater.

(Sarah777 20:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Maps

Actually, I deleted nothing: I merely changed the links from the Mercator maps to the prior ones. 69.156.114.224 15:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I edit with roaming IP (high-speed). As well, it does not appear there is a consensus regarding these maps, as the Europe articles/maps seem mismatched with others (e.g., Canada, Mexico) 69.156.114.224 16:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. After reading thoroughly, to me there doesn't seem to be agreement on this. The two polls seem confusing, and the discussions appear to me to have been co-opted by one user to support the current maps. 69.156.114.224 17:21, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Irish entomologists

I originally categorised all 19th century and earlier entomologists as Irish.They were then recategorised.Glad you have made the reversion. Let's hope it stays that way Notafly

[edit] Flag of Northern Ireland debate

You have been involved in the flag debate on the Northern Ireland talk page. If you remember there were four option listed about the way forward. If you wish you can go here and make your position clear. regards--Vintagekits 21:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] County Derry

I don't agree with saying County Londonderry.It's Derry to me. Dermo69 16:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe but sometimes it just doesn't sound right eg

The Derry County Board of the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) (Irish: Cummann Lúthchleas Gael Coiste Contae Dhoire) or Derry GAA is one of the 32 county boards of the GAA in Ireland, and is responsible for Gaelic Games in County Londonderry.

See what i mean?The compromise doesn't always work. Dermo69 17:13, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] R113 Regional Road

Ben, You are confusing me. I have just spent (on and off) the past week adding "Roads in Ireland" and "Roads in the RoI" categories to all relevant roads articles because I thought that was what we agreed!! (Sarah777 21:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC))

Ben, regarding your reply on User talk:Sarah777 - I wasn't the least bit annoyed! Just a tad confused. I am more than happy to go with your view on the lowest sub-category only; it's less cluttered. I just mistakenly thought you wanted ALL of the chain. So now I have some work to undo my previous misunderstanding!

So we agree: looking at my slide above we put in only the LOWEST sub-cat; thus the R113 is categorised a "Category:Regional Road" and the A5 in NI would be "Category:A Roads" (though that system needs to be set up; it is currently categorised as "Category:Roads in Northern Ireland".

Ben - we'll crack this yet! Regards (Sarah777 11:16, 10 March 2007 (UTC))

Ben, replying to your latest suggestion; I've been looking around - many articles have several lines of categories - so maybe we should, for clarity, stick with the three cat system (apart from the fact I've inserted it into so many articles and you've put it back in R113).

A wee bit of clutter up on the category line is of little importance. I would prefer this solution to renaming the sub-categories. As they use A-roads in the UK maybe the sub-cats for NI should read "A-roads (NI)"; "B-roads (NI)"; "C-roads (NI)". The terms 'National Primary', 'Secondary' and 'Regional' seem to be unique to Ireland.

That still leaves the the work of setting up a "Roads in Ireland" category page with with the subs listed. Are you busy? :) (Sarah777 18:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] reversion

hi, please explain your reversions of the WP:MOSDATE edits. your edit summaries did not give an explanation, neither was there an explanation on the talk pages. thanks. 82.3.252.147 14:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Aviation Newsletter delivery

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[edit] 3RR

Can you prevent Astrotrain from ignoring the debate on the Northern Ireland talk page, he has been trying to ignore the discussion that is ongoing there and imposing his on POV on this article, he is also following me around the wiki, undoing my edits, I put a warning on his talk prior the my last revert. I would report him for his actions, but I am unsure of the procedure here to do so.--padraig3uk 12:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Astrotrain has been warned the same as you, if he reverts that one more time he'll be temporarily blocked. I'm aware of the debate, and have been only mildly involved in it. I've also noticed the way you are both ending up editing the same articles though haven't looked into it in any detail. Unfortunately we cannot stop users from doing any edits they want, but we can punish afterwards. If you have something specific about his actions that you wish to report feel free to let me know. Ben W Bell talk 12:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

He is constantly undoing any edits I make on articles, such as here Monument to the Great Fire of London I added the image and he moved it to the gallery, I replace the image with another, he moved that to to the gallery, I restored it and he moves it again. On this aricle Great Fire of London he removed a image I added, replacing it with a much larger one, which I find ironic as one of his reason for for moving my images on the other article as he claimed thery were too big. On the List of British flags article he tried to revert my edits, when I warn him on his talk page that I would report him if he didn't stop he left a meesage on User talk:Jonto talk page asking him to watch the article, then Jonto started reverting my edits as well, I then had to request that the page be protected to stop them. I could add more but that will give you a ide whats going on. I don't know the correct procedure to report his behaviour.--padraig3uk 13:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

user:Spyros Pantenas ok, mate, cheers for the tip, i didn't mean to vandalise the page, but to add a disamb.page.I 'll see how to fix it. Take care, SP

[edit] Astrotrain

Astrotrain, has started again on the Northern Ireland article yet he ignores the Talk on the issue I revert his edit, but have no desire to get into a rdit war with him on this, maybe a word from a admin will get him to use the talk page on this.--padraig3uk 15:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canterbury

Thanks for the revert at Canterbury - as someone who has lived in Canterbury, you will be only too aware how ridiculous the idea of there being over 100,000 people in the city is! The ref. for the figure is clearly for the district, as within Kent the other areas listed all correspond with the various district councils in the county. Thanks again Gretnagod 17:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] British Isles

I was not experimenting with the wiki,I was fixing it.The statement that the Republic of Ireland is Apart of the British Isles is Politically incorrect.The Republic of Ireland's government stated many times that it is not apart of this and had to correct many political leaders in this too,Soo please stop changing what I added in.I took out ROI because of the above. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mikel-Fikel 82 (talk • contribs) 18:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC).

Hi Ben... you asked a question on Mikel-Fikel´s talk page.. Here´s at least part of the answer..from the refs in the article.

"..what used to be called the "British Isles," although that is now a politically incorrect term." Finnegan, Richard B.; Edward T. McCarron (2000). Ireland: Historical Echoes, Contemporary Politics. Boulder: Westview Press, p. 358. Hughsheehy 22:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Warning noted. Thanks. I've been on the talk page where my use of refs from books published by Oxford and Cambridge University Presses has resulted in them being characterised as having a "Republican oriented POV". There is serial ref blanking going on.Hughsheehy 12:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yep. I'm trying to sort it out there. I left a proposal on the talk page for 4 days before including it in the article. Not only did it get reverted but the refs got deleted too. A hunt back through the page history showed that the same person had deleted refs before. I'm not saying that this is "simple" vandalism either. If anything it's more like "sneaky vandalism", but that's not for me to decide. Hughsheehy 13:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

There is nothing sneaky about it. I'm disputing your right to claim that there's a majority opinion behind the disputed term "British Isles". There is no such majority but you have multiply tried to insert text into the lead that "sneakily" to use your term does imply there is such a majority. The references you use are essentially irrelevant since they either represent, as I have openly stated, Republican opinion, or else simply mention that there is such a dispute. You have totally rejected rational argument in favour of accusations against me, yet in fact I have been editing on behalf of majority opinion on the talk page, which you only choose to go to when your serial edits to the lead are challenged. Your opinion that this is all my misbehaviour is frankly tripe. MarkThomas 13:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Ben, could you count my reverts again please. I'm either going blind or I only see two actual "reverts". I changed the page, which was then reverted, but unless I'm counting wrong I only see two reverts as such done by me. Not saying I'm going to do one more, but wanting to make sure I'm counting properly. Hughsheehy 13:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I think so far you've only reverted twice, but do not use the letter of the rule to defeat the spirit of the rule. Ben W Bell talk 14:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I am not trying to break either the letter or the spirit. I was asking to make sure I wasn't counting wrong (kinda like counting floors in a building starting at 0 or starting at 1) and I already said that I wasn't intending to do more. Hughsheehy 15:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The Irish goverment say were not appart of the British Isles.When the French government said it he was quickly corrected by Bertie Ahern,Our Taoiseach that we are not apart of them.It is a Geological mistake,If it were refered to the Anglo-Celtic Isles then that would be k,But saying that calling u apart of the British Isles is the same as calling it like Scandinavia is totally incorrect.The term British Isles means that we are all British when we are not.Mikel-Fikel 82 (talk • contribs) 15:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Starship Troopers (novel)

How come you removed the introduction of foreign prints of the novel? Isn't there an interest in knowing where and when a book has been printed? The article contains a list of reprint dates, why are those more interesting? --194.22.4.101 11:45, 28 March 2007 (UTC)