Talk:Bielefeld Conspiracy
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To everyone who is confused, I'm trying to translate the first sentence of the German article: The Bielefeld conspiracy is part of a satirical conspiracy that doubts the existence of the city of Bielefeld in order to expose the self contained and unattackable argumentation structure of conspiracy theories in a humorous way. (hope that made sense and excuse my poor english :)
I'm confused...based on this article, it looks as though the conspiracy is to hide Bielefeld's existence, but the Bielefeld article seems to indicate that the conspiracy is to promote a non-existent Bielefeld's existence. I'm even confusing myself. Anyone know which one it is? Jwrosenzweig 23:51, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- The conspiracy is to promote the existance of Bielefeld. Of course, as with most conspiracy theories, people deny the existance of the conspiracy. The consensus in the german wikipedia is that Bielefeld exists and the claim of a the existance of the conspiracy called Bielefeldverschwörung is just a joke. This complies with the claim of the majority of non-usenet-influenced ordinary people. If you want to put it this way you can say that there is a conspiracy to claim a conspiracy. The later of the two is called Bielefeld-Verschwörung. – 80.110.189.185 15:09, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
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- I too was confused by the article at first. On a second reading it does actually make sense, but I think someone should edit it so it makes the "direction" of the conspiracy clearer... Teutanic 23:56, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
No, the conspiracy is that THEY want us to believe that Bielefeld exists. But in real there is no city called Bielefeld, and everyone who claims he has been there, or even has relatives there is part of THEM. So the impression you got from the Bielefeld article is right, but I cannot see how this article can lead to the other interpretation. But I am already very familiar with this theory, so feel free to fix it if it is misleading. andy 08:50, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Hmm. The fact that when I click on the Bielefeld article the map showing the town's location fails to load must indicate that it really doesn't exist! Arwel 20:24, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Do we need an entry about every possible hoax? Get-back-world-respect 22:03, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- The difference between the Bielefeld conspiracy and other hoaxes is that everyone knows this conspiracy is a joke, but the others do have their believers. But this joke is an important part of the german internet folklore, so if you ask a random person on german usenet about Bielefeld there are good chances he will know about the conspiracy. There are much less relevant articles on wikipedia. andy 13:42, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)
It is interesting that there is a similar "conspiracy" in Israel - a running gag that the city of Petah Tikwa does not exist. A website on that topic should be going up soon, I'll link to it. So far it's been a popular meme in many blogs.
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