Talk:British Sea Power

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British Sea Power was a good article candidate, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. Once the objections listed below are addressed, the article can be renominated. You may also seek a review of the decision if you feel there was a mistake. Date of review: No date specified. Please edit template call function as follows: {{FailedGA|insert date in any format here}}

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• Talk:British Sea Power/Archive01 - Birdwatching
• Talk:British Sea Power/Archive02 - Names/Management

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Contents 1 Citations 2 Threemonkeys Interview link 3 Karmafist's threat 4 Threemonkeys interview link vote 4.1 Discussion 5 References to people, places and things 6 Disputed future plans 7 Self-reference in captions? 8 Release layout 9 Good article nomination 10 Template 11 Sweeping, often epic

[edit] Citations

Hi, I've just added to the introduction paragraph, I hope it's okay but not sure if it fits the style (should I use the two singles as example of their sound?). Also, how should I go about adding citations? I would like to use the reviews from Pitchfork Media but am not sure exactly how to do it as I'm fairly new to this. Dokijic 11:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Threemonkeys Interview link

I don't think it is important, or fair, to include this interview link. If you are going to include an interview link then many, many others should be included. It's not fair to just include one. Best to just leave fansite links on, as there are plently of articles and interviews on those. --SaltyWater 12:01, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

You mean "leave links to my site and not rivals"", then? Andy Mabbett 10:28, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, because he's a sad person with nothing better to do and has collated a fairly definitive source on the band? And what's so special about that terrible interview? It doesn't serve any purpose. Me677 10:57, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

In what way is the site possibly at all in any case a rival to mine, or any, British Sea Power fansite? Its just an interview - it serves no purpose in this article. Give me one good reason why it should be included. --SaltyWater 11:28, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Can another user comment on this please? --SaltyWater 13:28, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Personally I'm not fussed either way. What is it about this interview that makes it worth/not worth including? If we are trimming the links down then surely the Lovely Day Tommorow is the one that should go first, being as it is out of date. Grinner 14:31, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Just don't see any point in including this, or any other, interview. Its not even a very good or interesting one... If one interview is included its only fair to include as many others as possible. --SaltyWater 16:15, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Karmafist's threat

User:Karmafist is threatening to keep reverting this page, if he doesn'tt get his way in another matter. Andy Mabbett 15:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Sigh. For those of you who don't know POTW's sordid history, please check Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pigsonthewing/Evidence and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Pigsonthewing. He's basically trying to describe me the way he acts. Karmafist 16:48, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

I note that you're still spouting lies and abuse. If you're not lying, you will be able to provide evidence of me threating to revert a page, unless I get my way elsewhere, just as I have provided evidence here, when you did so. Andy Mabbett 15:39, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Pigs, the proof is right there, in that link, that i've shown you a million times, and you've refused to look at for some reason. Karmafist 18:45, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

My name is not "Pigs". I note that you are unable to provide evidence to back up your claim of me threating to revert a page, unless I get my way elsewhere. You are a liar. Andy Mabbett 12:53, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Cor, you really are immature. Leave the revert, accept you're in the minority, the evidence is against you and find some other area of wikipedia to update or add to the page in other respects. There's more important things in life, eh? Me677 21:26, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Threemonkeys interview link vote

• Remove. Offers nothing of worth to the article. --SaltyWater 21:03, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
• Remove as per Salty Water. Grinner 10:10, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Remove. No more important than any of their other interviews. the wub "?!" 13:47, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Remove Utter rubbish from the start - why has it turned into WW3?Me677 16:40, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Wikipedia is not a democracy; it operates by consensus. Andy Mabbett 13:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I think that a link to Wikipedia:Consensus would be more useful. If I may quote from the guidelines:

While the most important part of consensus-building is to thoroughly discuss and consider all issues, it is often difficult for all members in a discussion to come to a single conclusion.....While it is still the preferred method, some contributors have also come to use a supermajority as one of the determinations.

Rough thresholds are given:

• WP:RFA: 75-80%
• WP:RM: 60%

This is not an admin matter, so a 60% threshold would seem fair. Let us see how the "vote" pans out before crossing that bridge, however. Grinner 13:37, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh dear. Andy Mabbett 20:33, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

The position of the group is that it should be removed, except for you. You have not, despite frequent requests, given a reason for the inclusion of the link. How do you suggest we resolve this, Andy? --SaltyWater 21:33, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

The group's feelings are irrelevant. You still have the cart before the horse; it is for you to give a reason for its removal; though you personally should not be involved, given that you run a rival site. Andy Mabbett 21:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I have give a reason. And so have a number of other people. You appear to be ignoring these reasons. And please, it is not a rival site. Give me some respect. Oh and RE: The group's feelings are irrelevant. You can't ignore the feelings of other WP users Andy... this is not your website. --SaltyWater 21:49, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

OK I see your link but there simply is no other way to resolve this. You (Andy) have to see that you are in a minority of one here, everybody else feels that this link adds nothing to the article and has no place here. You simply cannot hold back against the feelings of every other editor on this page. I am trying my very very hardest to be reasonable here. Grinner 10:50, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

• I note that the link has been restored. I shall not remove it until the vote has concluded (assuming a deletion is the decision); again using the analogy of other votes 7 days seems appropriate. Grinner 11:46, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] References to people, places and things

Is that really necessary? Just a thought. SaltyWater 21:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Can anyone looking at this suggestion please take into account that this user runs a BSP fansite containing a references section. I am highly suspicious that he is attempting to drive traffic to a wiki rival through deletion of this section. Such behaviour cannot be tollerated. Thanks. Me677 22:48, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed future plans

Regarding this:

It has been reported that Hamilton and Yan are to spend christmas 2005 taking part in a largescale hillside art project in Grasmere, close to where they grew up. The project will take the form of a large lopsided penguin drawn into the chalk hillside as part of a Greenpeace campaign. BSP are believed to also be recording an EP for release in spring 2006 to raise funds for the antarctica campaign.

SaltyWater (talk • contribs), please stop referring to justified deletion of this unsubstantiated material as "vandalism". If it's verifiable, cite a reputable source. Otherwise, it has no place in the article. Tearlach 02:42, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh sorry, Me677 and myself were just having a competition to see who could get banned first. --SaltyWater 13:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Self-reference in captions?

Is the caption on the concert picture, indicating that User:Me677 took the picture, a self-reference which should be avoided in the article namespace? It seems to me that it is, but I thought I'd bring it up here first. john k 17:56, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

...aye, I didn't add that in. this bloke uploaded from his site.

My deepest apologies. I hope this error does not result in me being banned from this website. SaltyWater 23:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Release layout

Gallery looks better. Standard on most band pages. User:SaltyWater disagrees. He's a little caesar. Anyone else care to add their two cents?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Sea_Power&oldid=46778214#Singles http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Sea_Power&oldid=46779267#Albums

etc.

That's for galleries not discographies. Makes it hard to people to use. And what I say goes. But thanks for your time. SaltyWater 17:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Maybe include a gallery for the full length albums and EPs, but they have too many singles. SteelyDave 17:52, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Well I just keyed in a couple of bands with a few releases and they all use the gallery thing: Morrissey, Oasis, The Libertines. Looks better. Me677 18:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I have taken it to the high court. SaltyWater 18:46, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good article nomination

You having a fucking laugh mate? SaltyWater 18:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not terrible. I mean, look around some other pages and by comparison its not all that bad.SteelyDave 19:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template

I've added Template:British Sea Power to the member pages. What do you think? Should it be stuck on all pages? Any changes? Me677 19:11, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I like it James. You have my permission to add it to all pages. Thanks. SaltyWater 20:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

ALOL at "Related Articles" Bobyllib 20:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sweeping, often epic

Who wrote that line, "sweeping, often epic"?

I think I've seen this sentence in every single issue of NME. RSieradzki 01:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)