Talk:British hip hop

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Cleanup Taskforce page → Edit | Purge [edit] British hip hop I've added this article to the list requiring a clean up. The Next Generation and New Generation sections are constantly being changed with a new name claiming the first Wikilink on a regular basis. Why was there a new and next generation? What prompted it? This article raises more questions than it answers And is now very long with a handful of sources incorrectly formatted. This is an important subject - it deserves a good rewrite to bring it up to standard. Escaper7 17:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC) Added to User:Sceptre/Desk RJFJR 14:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC) Sceptre has left the building. Need to reassign. Added to User:Heaven's Wrath/Desk RJFJR 14:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 British hip hop 2 References 3 New Generation...? 4 Certainty over the official origins.... 5 Hip hop in the regions 6 Redirect to UK hip hop 7 Clean up: started 8 Scottish hip hop

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[edit] References

This is a good article, but it needs to be Wikified to attribute its sources. For example: Nowadays, British hip hop is enjoying its second coming - managing to be popular without "selling out" and innovative without being off-putting... Says who? I'll start work on tidying this up, but any help would be appreciated. Please don't remove the 'references boilerplate' as this helps alert other editors that it's in need of a little attention. See: Wikipedia: Citing Sources. Regards Escaper7 10:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Generation...?

A complete rewrite needs to be actioned as the focus under this heading talks more about UK grime than anything. Grime has its own page and little is mentioned of the traditional hip hop sounds coming out of the underground. I would also debate the influences cited for the 'new wave' of Brit-hop. To simply say 'hip-hop' is ill-defined to say the least. UK hip hop? US hip hop? Also the term "hip-hop" is used and abused by everyone and can cause mass confusion - many people still associate the term with mainstream gangster rap and hip-pop without any knowledge of the many sub-genres stemming off of it.

I agree, the "new generation", "next generation" sections are a bit odd sounding, and seem to be an extended list of new acts, I don't have enough expertise or time to assist with this, but it definitely needs to be radically overhauled. Escaper7 05:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Certainty over the official origins....

Did it really come out of British breakdancing and graffiti? this sounds all too similar to how the American scene developed and a bit too coincidental - almost crediting the UK for developing its own hip hop culture all by itself...which it didn't. Its fair to say that American Hip Hop culture was already well established before it rubbed off onto Britain in the 80's and its continued exports have continued to heavily influence the British hip hop music scene.

British hip hop was kick-started by the US scene, but as with the US, it wasn't a separate movement and grew almost organically out of the breakdance and graff scenes. Blade for example started out as a grafitti artist and bodypopper called Electron - "[Blade] I was given it by a friend who ended up dying on the underground doing graffiti and stuff and I kept the name out of respect for the person, my name used to be Electron back then, I was a body popper and breaker, so it kinda changed from there." [1] - as a youngster before getting into hip hop and rapping, and the Ruthless Rap Assassins page explains that Kermit also started out in a brerakdance crew called Broken Glass before becoming a rapper. There's no denying that the US scene created the British scene, but its also fair to say that in the UK, as in the US, it grew out of breakdancing and graf. Terrypin 11:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hip hop in the regions

I think it's useful to include information about regional hip-hop artists, but there are several inconsistencies in the links from this article. I think there should be a regional sub-section, but let's keep out the My Space links, "See Alsos" to non existent articles ie Manchester hip hop, and if there are to be separate articles they should be consistently merged. The fact that Skinnyman was born in Yorkshire, but actually grew up in London, means it's physically impossible to say that he's contributed to "Yorkshire hip hop" - he hasn't, is simply from that region. That's why I'm suggesting those article be merged with this one. Escaper7 10:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect to UK hip hop

An unregistered editor moved this page to UK hip hop, but failed to move the talk page which obviously causes serious problems. Please discuss the need for a move here on the talk pages first. Thanks. Escaper7 12:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up: started

I've added this article to the list requiring a clean up. The Next Generation and New Generation sections are constantly being changed with a new name claiming the first Wikilink on a regular basis. Why was there a new and next generation? What prompted it? This article raises more questions than it answers and is now very long with a handful of sources incorrectly formatted. This is an important subject - it deserves a good rewrite to bring it up to standard. Escaper7 17:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I've got things moving a bit by starting on the references - I haven't got a lot of time to devote to this so any contributions welcomed, please discuss major changes first, as a courtesy to eds cleaning this up, and please follow the correct format of referencing as this is quite a long article to pick through and source. Regards. Escaper7 18:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scottish hip hop

Since this is British hip hop, and Scotland is part of Britain, shouldn't the Scottish hip hop article be merged with this? Sheriff Bernard 10:17, 25 November 2006 (UTC)