Talk:E number

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1 Natural or artifical
2 Redundancy with list of food additives
3 Source of annotations
4 Cleanup
5 Templates for food articles
6 NPOV
7 E317,8
8 E1510
9 Info boxes
10 E605
11 Links to Exxx pages
12 Maybe something more comprehensible?

[edit] Natural or artifical

If there's is anyone out could specify which E number is classify as natural or artifical. It does not give enough details to support the increase awareness of food additives. For most, the public couldn't tell which additives are made from natural source or made synthetically.

[edit] Redundancy with list of food additives

Someone put this page under the heading "Enumbers"; much of this appears to duplicate the food additive listings; the two should perhaps be merged Malcolm Farmer 02:09, 2002 Mar 7

Indeed, this has been done. --anon 23:34, 2004 Oct 26

The list on this page still seems redundant with list of food additives. That page suggests that the actual numbers are internationally standardised and it's just that 'E' prefix that's unique to Europe. Is that so, or are there differences in the numbering schemes? If not, I think the list on page should be merged into list of food additives. -- JTN 16:03, 2005 Feb 21 (UTC)

[edit] Source of annotations

What's the source of the PAR, LGM, and AO annotations in the list? -- JTN 16:03, 2005 Feb 21 (UTC)

I see that more than 18 months later, the source has still not been identified. This is not good. — Haeleth Talk 10:11, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, time to remove them -- it's been two years now. I will do it. --Macrakis 14:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

Since a tag has been added a Cleanup, I would like to ask what is so wrong with the article? I fell that all the list of the E numbers, strongly, must stay. These E numbers are really often used in chemistry. For example E Number 'E507' is Hydrochloric Acid. If it is anything that needs cleaned up - I think it should just be the opening passage. Thanks, 18:57, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I added it to Cleanup, at the moment its just a long list and I'm sure something could be done with a table to present the information a lot better, and perhaps have a footer template linking to E100s, E200s, etc. I agree the list should stay, just in what format. --PopUpPirate 20:03, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

Hello. I just saw this page and as a teacher I find it should be improved in one respect. The introduction should note/state clearly that the list contains many substances which are proven harmless and, indeed are found in nature (carrots, berries etc). Such a note is important as it challenges the common misconseption that "any E-number is bad for you", and thus makes the following list particularly important. Thank you. Norway, January 8. 2006

[edit] Templates for food articles

Just created few templates. Feel free to improve them, create new similar ones and give constructive feedback.

The mother template is template:E-ingredient, it is used by ingredient specific templates such as template:Ingredient-E414. I'm using them on article Hubba Bubba soda.

What would be a good category to place the articles having the template in "category:food and drink having Exxx" or maybe "category:food and drink having ingredientname" ? --Easyas12c 21:48, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Is "category:Exxx" good enought? The list of categories will get quite long with the ones I suggested earlier. Please give me a comment on this. --Easyas12c 22:11, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Be aware of other Exxx things, eg. various roads. What about "Exxx additive"? --Shaddack 02:19, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

Coverage is given to the health concerns of E-number food additives. However, the very point of an additive getting an E-number is that it has been deemed safe for food use. This article therefore needs some material describing the testing and approval process. I'm afraid I know nothing about the details, so I can't do it. 213.94.244.13 10:47, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] E317,8

These two E numbers are not in the official list. The article on Erythorbin acid seems to be an old copy of Erythorbic acid with neither the name, nor the E number changed. Highly suspicious. Jeff Knaggs 13:55, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] E1510

User:Ayeomans changed Ethanon to Ethanol. Is this correct? Ethanol is a toxic substance and so unlikely to be assigned an E number. But what is Ethanon? — Monedula 13:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Ethanol isn't really that toxic; it's found in alcoholic beverages, but its also used as a preservative (for example in soy sauce). I would assume that ethanol is correct. I have never heard of ethanon, and it doesn't sound like a standard chemical name. There is something called ethanone, but it appears to only exist as a functional group and not as a substance. --24.16.148.75 02:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Info boxes

Hi folks, I started making some infoboxes to put into articles describing substances that have an E number. So far, the following exist:

I've put these into the respective articles, but what's missing now, of course, is similar templates for the other ranges (100-199, 200-299 etc.) and subranges (100-109, 110-119 etc.) Does anyone feel like helping out and making these? I hope the intended structure of the infoboxes is clear from the above templates; if not, the idea is to have three "layers", so to speak:

One layer for the basic classification (e.g., colours, preservatives etc.)
One layer for the more specific classification inside the first layer (e.g., yellows, oranges, reds etc. in the case of colours; similar for other basic classification layers)
One layer for the actual substances (e.g., curcumin, riboflavin etc. in teh case of yellows)

Every infobox describes one "specific classification" layer (e.g., yellows) and lists all the substances that fall into this layer. The entries in the first two layers that the infobox describes (e.g., "colours" and "yellows") are bolded.

That's about it. If anyone feels like creating more infoboxes, that'd be great; also, feel free to tweak and improve the layout and so on, of course (as usual, be bold). :) If you want to get back to me, just leave me a note on my talk page (I may not see if you reply here). Thanks, and have fun. :) -- Schnee (cheeks clone) 19:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] E605

Changed the phrasing for E605 about this to be more useful when just glancing through. You no longer have to click the reference or scroll to the bottom to see the substance it is. Should E605 be on this page as it is not a food-additive e-number, that being the definition given at the top of this page. Surely there are more "e-numbers" like this that the Germans use?

Chris

81.151.191.129 22:31, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links to Exxx pages

I've made links out of all the Exxx words, so that it is possible to see which redirects still need to be created. Also, those Exxx pages that are NOT redirects (if there are any) might be redundant if the agent has an article under its full name. László 09:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maybe something more comprehensible?

I found this page trying to find an explanation to a Brit's comment he felt "like a five-year-old who'd had too many E-numbers," because he'd had a busy day and was thus rather hyper. Well, American that I am, I had no idea what that meant. So I was kind of wondering whether we shouldn't include something explaining the general view of them or something?

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