Talk:Eastern Cottontail
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This is officially the first wikipedia article started in 2005. Dbiv 01:41, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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UtherSRG removed the list of subspecies I place on here claiming that the list was "too old" (1980), however I ask him to find a newer, complete list.
My source was Chapman et al. This source was cited:
- by Arita, Robinson and Redford in 1990.
- by Sullivan in 1995.
- by Swihart in 2003.
- The University of Michigan's Animal Diversity Web cites Chapman et al. (here).
...And others. Chapman is one of the experts in the field of rabbits, hares and pikas, with over 25 journal publications and several books on the subject.
The Smithsonian's current information page on Sylvilagus floridanus found here cites Allen 1890. so 1980 isn't nearly archaic when concerning recognized subspecies, especially on Wikipedia and with no further comprehensive sources available. Since we're not talking about gene-sequencing here this source seems more than satisfactory--considering most other sources are from the 1940-1970. Instead of destroying that which UtherSRG doesn't immediately agree with, I ask anyone to instead find a more "modern", comprehensive list of subspecies. IF proven wrong by new data, then by all means remove the list and citation. I've searched JSTOR, EBSCO, ProQuest, Blackwell, BioLine, ScienceDirect and Project MUSE (for the hell of it) and found no newer data.
Allen, J.A., 1890. Descriptions of a new species and a new subspecies of the genus Lepus. Bulletin of the American Museum of Natural History, 3:159-160.
Arita, H. T., J. G. Robinson, K. H. Redford. 1990. Rarity in neotropical forest mammals and its ecological correlates. Conservation Biology, 4:2, 181-192. Chapman, Joseph A.; Hockman, J. Gregory; Ojeda C., Magaly M. 1980. Sylvilagus floridanus. Mammalian Species. 136: 1-8.
Sullivan, Janet. 1995. Sylvilagus floridanus. In: Fire Effects Information System, [Online]. U.S. Department of Agriculture, Forest Service, Rocky Mountain Research Station, Fire Sciences Laboratory (Producer).
Swihart et al. 2003. Patch occupancy of North American mammals: is patchiness in the eye of the beholder? Journal of Biogeography 30:8, 1259–1279.
I'd prefer it if my time were better spent creating accurate, referenced articles instead of defending my obviously valid actions as if they were dissertations every time I hit "Save page."
TeamZissou 21:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- ADW is a hit and miss website. Some articles are well updated, some are not. Much like Wikipedia. I've updated the subspecies list according to MSW3. All *I* ask is that anyone who wants to work on mammal articles has access to MSW3 or something more up-to-date. For some orders, there is nothing more modern. MSW3 is *the* singularly most authoritative source for mammalian taxonomy. - UtherSRG (talk) 22:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- As for why to use one source as the basis - some subspecies have been elevated to species. I just edited a shrew article to remove a subspecies you listed because it is now a full species. Using a source that is 27 years old is going to do that. No amount of web searching is going to find the sources from 1980 to present to update the older information. The best bet is to start with modern sources and go forward. - UtherSRG (talk) 22:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- And in the case of Sorex itself, you should have seen that some of the subspecies you were listing were already listed there as full species. I now I have to either remove it all, or edit it so that all of the current Sorex subspecies are listed. - UtherSRG (talk) 22:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, but now the subspecies list for Sylvilagus floridanus looks beautiful, where before there was none... TeamZissou 23:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Oh no, it wasn't the official list--it was just a reasonable facsimile thereof. Totally acceptable. TeamZissou 20:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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