User talk:Elizabeth A
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[edit] Hallo
Willkommen zu Wikipedia. Hier Japan regnet es stark. Wie geht's dir? Schoenes Wochenende! KIZU 14:57, 15 May 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Nicholas Copernicus
Your contribution to the article is humorous. How is Torun not historical name? Poles always refereed to the city as Torun or Thorun, Germans always as Thorn. Both are historical name. Also, Royal Prussia was not "undr protection" of Polish king. It was his property. It was incorporated into Poland in peace of Torun. Szopen 07:29, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Your edits on Germany
I'm about to tune down my Wikipedia presence, at least temporarily due to pending exams, but let me assure you that as a student of political science, my textbooks, regardless of if they originated in the US, in Britain or on the European Continent, and regardless of if their first edition had been printed before or after 1991, if they at all made references to Westernness or Western Europe, they connect post-1945 Germany and Switzerland (and indirectly thereby also Liechtenstein) with Western and not Central Europe.
As many have argued at different talk pages, it's possible that this lable is about to change, but an encyclopedia has by necessity to be conservative and follow the usage, not lead changed usage.
It's undoubtly so, that the last years of crisis in the European union, in NATO, and of course also the enlargement of EU has put questions on France's and Germany's possible role as leaders for the Union in focus. Your stance seem to represent one of the wings in this debate, which you personally is fully entitled to do - I might even agree with you, at least partly. But Wikipedia is not suitable as a battlefield in ongoing debates between countries. Please read up on Wikipedia's NPOV policy!
As more than one have remarked at different talk pages, your style of repeatedly restoring your prefered version regardless of any concerns raised, is unsuitable for a cooperative project as this.
I urge you to consider your approach to cooperation at Wikipedia.
Regards!
/Tuomas 13:39, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
You may have noticed that both the Britannica and the Columbia encyclopedias states that Germany is a country of central, not western, Europe. If people believe Germany is a western European country, they should cite some reliable sources. I agree that Wikipedia should follow the usage.
Also, I am not the person repeatedly restoring my version without giving any good explanation at the talk page. Elizabeth A 13:45, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
You are right, that you have cited printed encyclopedias. That's good, but you have to realize that an almost hundred years old Britannica is relevant for the usage then, not now. What you have not done, and what I urge you to start doing, is to put yourself in the position of people you fight with, or in general in the position of editors you don't automatically agree with. It sounds presumtuous, of course, but that's what I've tried to. My ambition was to give other contributors, including you, an example of how to do that. Others could surely have done it better, but so far it seemed more of a trench war. Other times I'll play the role of the one who argues for changes, and then I'll also put efforts into printed references and external links, but this time, I tried to put reason to a war that reflects badly on Wikipedia, and where you are one of the parties.
I do also recall to have seen a list of www-links somewhere, but at this moment I don't remember where: A list that allegedly should have supported the notion of Central Europe delimited by Danube and Oder-Neisse, or something. Please realize, that Central Europe is not one of my particular interests. Which doesn't hinder me to know what everyone else knows, i.e. that Germany–Liechtenstein–Switzerland is not what "particularly in the Western World" is primarily thought of as Central Europe. Austria may well be given a prominent notion, but the Slavonic countries have to be given a more promiente mentioning than Liechtenstein or Switzerland! Please remember that so it was until May 6th, and I did not restore "my" version, not even the pre-May version, but I tried to establish a balanced wording between the point of view that you represent and that of the pre-May version.
A personal note is that what Finland ultimately fought for 1899-1991 was the "membership" in Western Europe, ideologically and culturally, to which we feel a strong identification. Seen with the eyes of a Finn, Germany before 1945 or 1918 was both Central and West-European, but after 1945 only the Western parts remained in a geographical sense, but more important: in a cultural sense, that that had been "strange" and Central European (strange in a positive way, though!) with German and Austrian culture, its roots had been severed by the Iron Curtain, and post-War West Germany was as a consequence less strange and didn't seem the slightestly Central European any more. /Tuomas 15:00, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Central Europe
Dear Elizabeth A, I noticed that your edits in the Central Europe are beginning to resemble an edit war. Deletion of the map with the This map is pov comment certainly does not explain what is wrong with it. Please be so kind as to explain why do you find political organizations equal to geographical terms. Halibutt 14:42, Jun 17, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] License
Hi, you had uploaded Image:Reichsgruendung2.jpg without giving its license. We use it on french wp and I'd like to know if it is Public Domain or something like that. Tipiac 13:20, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- And also Image:De wappen2.png
- Speaking of images, Image:De wappen.png is probably going to get deleted as redundant with Image:Bundesadler.png. 68.39.174.238 19:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
