Talk:Engineer's degree

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Contents 1 Biomed. Eng. 2 Five year degree? 3 Links 4 Professional Engineer, P.E.

[edit] Biomed. Eng.

I expect there may well be a biomedical engineering Engineer's degree somewhere, but I couldn't find a Engineer's degree program in an moderately extensive Web search. (E.g. MIT has a biomed program, but only with master's and doctorates).

A quick google search revealed a few schools with undergrad Bio-eng programs-

http://bme.virginia.edu/ugrad/

http://www1.umn.edu/bme/info/undergraduate_program.html

http://www.seas.gwu.edu/gwu/academics_programs/undergrad_biomedical.php

I'm pretty sure there's plenty more. I know University of Pittsburgh has one as well.--YGagarin 02:33, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

That being the case, I have no authoritative source for the correct degree initialism, but BM sounds like only part of the name, as with the degree "master's in biomedical engineering" (M.S.Bm.E.) which I did find, but which is not an Engineer's degree.

Note: A degree with "engineering" in the name is not necessarily an Engineer's degree! E.g. an "bachelor's in electrical engineering" (BSEE) is not an Engineer's degree. Similarly with the MSBmE. Noel (talk) 21:35, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

SCU, MIT, and Stanford offer some type of eng. degree. However, I don't see anyone who offers an eng. degree in some variation on biomed. eng. Maybe bioeng. is too new? The eng. degree is something of a holdover. JJL 21:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I've found it really depends upon the institution giving the degree. For example, I'm an engineering student at McGill university, and as far as I'm aware, all engineering degrees offered here will give you an Engineers accreditatation. In any case I don't think biomedical engineering is too new of a field, its been around for at least a little while, but it seems to be quite an uncommon field.--YGagarin 22:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

To avoid confusion, the list below the United States section should refer only to degrees within the United States, or the section should talk about degrees within both the United States and Canada.--YGagarin 23:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

See: http://www.stanford.edu/group/biomech/programs.html

[edit] Five year degree?

I'm looking at this section:

It might be argued that, because the European high school curriculum covers the topics of the typical U.S. freshman year, the five-year-long Engineer's degree is actually complete equivalent of the U.S. degree.

If someone enters a university having already covered a year's material, and they then complete a 5 year course, they'd have 6 years of university level experience.

Does it take six years to get a degree in an American university?

I ask because most degrees in my country (UK) are three years:- A 6 year course would be more like two degrees than one!

• In European countries, one must be a technologist in that specific field (sometimes called "technical engineer, "engineering technician" or "field engineer) before being able to enter the two last years. 80.58.6.172 11:10, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

• Here in Chile there are two engineer titles, each one with its own specialization: "Ingeniero de ejecución" (something like 'execution engineer'), with a long of 4 years; and "Ingeniero Civil" with a long of 6 years. The first doesn't include an academic degree, the second brings the degree of "Licenciado en Ciencias de la Ingeniería" (something like "Engineering' Science Licenciate"). But here we dont have a two years preparatory like Canadá, students comes to the University after their secondary.

• I am a Mechanical Engineering student in the US. The program I am enrolled in is a four year program, though most of us plan on four and a half years. Mostly because we've changed our major at least once. 66.62.91.130 20:37, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

• In order to be accredited in the US, programs offering a bachelor's degree (not just engineering) must require atleast 120 semester hours (typically four years) including atleast 30 hours of general education courses. For an engineering program to be accredited by ABET, it must require 2 1/2 years of technical courses and a capstone project. Because the curriculum has to meet both sets of requirements, engineering disciplines typically require more credit hours than others programs. Although it's generally quite possible to graduate in 3 or 3 1/2 years, given the difficulty of the material and the popularity of co-op programs among engineering students it isn't unusual for four-year curriculums to stretch into the 5th or sometimes 6th year--66.253.174.65 21:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links

I have just removed the external links section. It already was, and was becoming a gradually worse, collection of links to particular courses at particular Unis. They added nothing to the encyclopedic discussion of the differing Engineering degrees and were effectively advertising. -Splash 18:38, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Then remove all the academic links, you conveniently leave MIT's link. That is not the only school offering engineer's degrees. All of the articles on specific institutions (including MIT) are nothing more than advertising written by alumni of those schools promulgating how great is their school, so either let everyone have equal time or remove them all.

A typical bachelor's degree at an American university is 120 credits (that is, semester hours). Engineering is typically more, 130 to 160 credits in 4 years. My alma mater (Stevens Institute of Technology) requires 149-155 credits for the B.Eng. degree. A typical engineering master's degree in the US requires 30 credits, therefore, we took the equivalent of a bacehlor's and master's degree for just the undergraduate course.

I'm not too sure what you mean. I did remove all the external links, and I can't see an internal link to any University in the article at all, as of my last edit. You may be referring to the actual Wikipedia articles on the Universities; they have no impact here. If you think those articles express a point of view, edit them carefully to retain the facts and eliminate the opinion. -Splash 01:33, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Ah, you mean the link on this talk page. That's quite different. I was only interested in removing them from the article; talk pages are a different matter and only very rarely have material removed from them. -Splash 01:33, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Professional Engineer, P.E.

Here in the United States we have a degree (conferred after so many years in an engineering industry and after taking the exam) you become a Professional Engineer. Most PE's highest education level is a Master's in Science or Engineering. They can put P.E. as their title. Thoughts? --ProdigySportsman 00:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

That isn't a degree. It's a govt. license. The two aren't related. JJL 02:25, 20 October 2006 (UTC)