Talk:Episcopi vagantes
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savez-vous que Mgr Lefebvre a été consacré en 1976 par Mgr Thuc, j'en ai les preuves (lettres de Mgr Lefebvre à Mgr ThuC. P. Gérard.
Question: can anyone give me a precise canonical reference (or precedents) of RCC's recognition of the ordinations done by episcopi vagantes? thanks Ouital77 21:32, 24 September 2005.
I'm a bit confused about the Orthodox versus Anglican consecrations. As I understand it, the Anglican church split off from the Roman Catholic church, and hence would have a similar line of succession, simply forking off at a different point than the other churches. --Booch 19:05, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
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- The Anglican church was started by Henry VIII rather than any cleric. At times he used as bishops men who were previously ordained validly, but at times he elevated and had consecrated as bishops men who were outside the Apostolic Succession; these men were not valid bishops according to Catholic thought, nor were their successors ordained by them, which includes much existing Anglican clergy. Therefore most Catholic authorities do not regard most Anglican ordinations and consecrations as valid. Rlquall 19:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Henry VIII broke away from Rome but he didn't mess with liturgy including ordinations of priests and consecration of bishops. When Leo XIII declared Anglican orders null and void he referred to changes under Henry's teenage son Edward VI.
[edit] Original research?
How does the presence of the category "Catholics not in communion with Rome" violate the original research prohibition? --Midnite Critic 15:23, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Not the presence of the category...placing wandering bishops in that category is a faulty personal conclusion of whatever editor made the edit. While wandering bishops are legislated against and minimized, the Church also recognizes extraordinary circumstances where wandering bishops would be perfectly in communion with the Church. So this cannot be categorically placed in that category. Individual wandering bishops can be placed there by name if they have in fact incurred a censure and been excommunicated for becoming a wandering bishop. --Diligens 16:29, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- It would be nice to have a list in this article of particularly well-known episcopi vagantes, particularly any that are notable enough to have their own Wikipedia articles. Isomorphic 00:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
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- The problem with that, Iso, is that one person's episcopus vagans is another's prophet, reformer, or whatever. Few, if any, of the bishops in question would themselves identify with the label. --Midnite Critic 21:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
