Talk:Extremes on Earth
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Are you sure that Reykjavik is the northernmost capital? --AppleNick 22:27, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Since when have the Philippines been regarded as Oceania? Grutness|hello? 
05:34, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The Morocco and Yukon low temps are not converted properly between C and F. I don't know which one is correct though, so I won't change them. -J 16 Jun 2005
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[edit] Merge Discussion
A proposal has been made to merge this page (Extremes on Earth) with another, similar topic (Extreme points of the world). I like how the subject is broken down in the other topic tree, by continents. But breaking it down by countries may best be done on that country's page. However, the title of the other group of subjects would seem to preclude some of the extremes (such as temperature) that are on this page. I also like the table format on this page, though it has broken down somewhat. More comments? Val42 02:16, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Incorrect data
Snag
There appears to be some incorrect edits to the minimum temperatures recorded for North America. The US National Climatic Data Center at Global Extremes shows Snag with a record -81.4 °F (-63 °C) and not the -70 °F claimed here. Unfortunately, Environment Canada does not have records for Snag that show this. The changes went from -63 °C to -69 °C to -70 °C (edited 30th May 2005) by 70.81.118.93. This was then followed by 70.81.117.175 correcting the °F to -94.4 °F to match the -70 °C (31st July 2005).
Resolute
User 70.81.117.175 added the Resolute minimum as -70 °C (-94.4 °F) for 3rd January 2004 (edited 10th September 2005). A check at Resolute extremes (Environment Canada - EC) shows the minimum recorded in Resolute is -52.2 °C on the 07th January 1966. A quick check here EC hourly data, (use the drop down list and pick Nunavut, then click GO. Next drop down list pick Resolute and set the date 03 January 2004) shows that Resolute had nothing near the minimum claimed. Even the wind chill is not close to the -70 °C (I thought the user had mixed air temp and wind chill).
Also user 70.81.117.175 added a box near the bottom showing the "Coldest and Hottest Inhabited Places on Earth". Again a check at Resolute extremes shows the Daily Average Temperature is -16.4 °C not -23 °C.
- A minor quibble here is how you define "inhabited". Resolute is possibly the coldest place with a stable permanent civil population. However, places staffed by non-permanent people such as scientists, weather personnel and military personnel who may only stay part of the year. Then places such as Alert (daily avg -18.0 °C), Eureka (daily avg -19.7 °C) and most stations in the Antarctic would have a colder daily average temperature.
I have left requests for sources on both these users talk pages. CambridgeBayWeather 15:47, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
- for further on this see User talk:70.81.117.175. CambridgeBayWeather 01:32, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Ifrain, Morocco temperature
I've changed the fahrenheit temperature for Morocco to -11.0°, in accordance with [1], which says the temperature was -23.9°C. Also [2] says that the temperature was -11.0°F, and that is -23.9°C. All the values for temperature should now be consistent. Graham/pianoman87 talk 06:59, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Recent edition
What is the source for the recent addition about the temperature of -77.5ºC on Mount Logan? There is no weather station by that name in the national climate archive for Canada, but it only lists the cities in the Yukon Territory. Also, I don't understand why it would not be considered the lowest temperature in North America because of the elevation of the station. This does not happen in Australia; the -23.0°C temperature on Charlotte Pass in Mount Kosciuszko was recorded in the highest valley in Australia (elevation: 1755 m), and is certainly counted in the record. I'm not familiar with how weather information is recorded in Canada; I mostly study Australian weather. Graham/pianoman87 talk 03:53, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
- When I tidied up the section I didn't look at who made the edit. This is the same user that had put -70 at Resolute for the coldest in North America based on what somebody on TV said. See User talk:70.81.117.175#Extremes on Earth. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 05:12, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
- OK, I've removed it. I can't find any evidence of this on google.
Also, I'll replace the coldest inhabited place with Eureka, Nunavut, in accordance with [3] and [4]. Eureka clearly has a lower average temperature of -19.7ºC.Graham/pianoman87 talk 10:29, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] How many continents?
Why does this list both Oceana and Australia? Notthe9 05:37, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Contradicts Resolute, Nunavut
This article conflicts with a fact from Resolute, Nunavut.
- Resolute, Nunavut says: It is also one of the coldest inhabited places in the world, with an average yearly temperature of -23°C.
- Extremes on Earth says: Coldest Inhabited Place: Eureka, Nunavut, Canada Daily Average Temperature is −19.7 °C
- Furthermore, how are we defining "coldest"? Isn't Verkhoyansk the coldest inhabited place, since it has the lowest temperature? I think we should indicate both the average, year-round extremes and the absolute, seasonal extremes. Ibadibam 15:19, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- I found this which shows the temperatures at Verkhoyansk. I then did a quick calculation adding all the averages and got a daily average of temperature of -17.2 C. Next I tried the extremes and got an daily average of -13.8 C. Of course without more figures to play with these are gross estimates. The other place that needs to be considered is Oymyakon but it is hard to find data on the averages. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 08:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
The coldest inhabited place is here said to be Eureka, Canada. According to Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station at the South Pole that is the southernmost continually inhabited place on the planet, and it is clearly colder, average −49 °C (−56 °F). Which place is inhabited ? -- BIL 21:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- I am willing to believe that the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station is colder than Eureka, Nunavut but it does no have a source. THe problem I have with all of these is the way the "inhabited" is defined. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 00:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Recent edit
After I saw the comment from Ibadibam above I went to look at the Verkhoyansk article and from there to Pole of Cold. The Pole of Cold article indicates that due to an error in 1892 the temperature in Verkhoyansk was printed as −69.8 °C. I checked back here and found that the temperature in the article was −69.8 °C. So a quick look around and I found the BBC link and the Columbia Encyclopedia link both indicated −67.8 °C (rounded to −68.0 °C). I then saw the Oymyakon had an extrapolated temperature of −71.2 °C (actual recorded −67.7 °C) so I added that as well. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 08:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bentley Subglacial Trench
Why is the underside of the glacier of Antarctica considered the lowest point ? Permanent ice (upper side) is considered to be part of the Earths surface, and if it melted, the Bentley Subglacial Trench would be flooded and be the sea floor. BIL 20:04, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- Agree, if this is considered an actual low point, so should the land beneath the Greenland ice cape. It is depressed to about 300 meters below sea level.--Nikolaj Winther 20:52, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] High temperature record
Weird - the table contains three highest temperatures that are higher than the one marked as world-wide record. How come? The note [B] at the bottom of the table only explains one of them. --Romanski 17:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Take a look at these edits. That's where the problem arose. I suspect that the change in the US vale was obtained from here (search for Death Valley). That's a bit silly as the 53.9 world record in 2005 is lower than the official record from 1913. The Aswan record was obtained from here (this is the third of the external links in the article). A quick look at USA Today which has a list of the US sates and says "Source: U.S. National Climatic Data Center (last updated August 2006)" giving the 1913 record for Death Vally. I reverted back to the older figures based on the NOAA data. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 18:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
