Talk:Flen flyys
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Index of Middle English Verse (IMEV) 808. Will look this up and flesh out the entry when I have a chance. Marnanel 18:17, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Flen flyys is a poem, .... containing the first known written usage in English of the vulgar verb "fuck"
Unless "sometime before 1500" means centuries before, this is incorrect. Chaucer used it quite openly in the Reeve's Tale in the fourteenth century. Securiger 11:53, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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- Interesting. "Flen flyss" is cited as the first written in stance in a number of reputable source, including The American Heritage Dictionary. O.E.D. 2nd edition cites its first appearance in current spelling as 1535 ... I find it hard to believe such folks would overlook Chaucer! Are we sure this online source is correct? - DavidWBrooks 12:22, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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- A no, mea culpa! I read something about it in Bryson's The Mother Tongue, but misremembered the detail and confused myself with the above link - which is Middle English and a modern translation side-by-side! The word Chaucer uses is "swyve", which is completely synonymous, but not the word in question. Securiger 13:29, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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- Ah - *that* explains what Dick Cheney meant when he told Dan Rather to "go swyve yourself" ... - DavidWBrooks 16:31, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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- Is that a true quote? @@
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- Where can I find the poem?
