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[edit] Sideman to Lennon and McCartney?

I keep reading and hearing all over the place that George Harrison wasn't as developed a songwriter as his friends John Lennon and Paul McCartney...yes, but that's only true from a certain point of view... The man played lead guitar on pretty much every Beatles song, inlcuding your favorite solos that are like old friends when you hear them again. Now to me that says that he, and Ringo deserve a little more credit in this whole songwriting process. All four members of the group contributed in writing a song, and no single member meant more to the group than another. I've heard that Beatles songs were never as extravagant and polished during the writing process as they were on record, and that's pretty evident if you've ever listened to Anthology...that can be attributed to the fact that the others hadn't fully put in their musical input just yet. Although George and Ringo didn't come up with the original concept for most of those songs, they definitely helped make those song happen the way we hear it, and they wouldn't be possible without them. George Harrison, in some form or another, wrote - or rather, helped write, every single Beatles song he appeared on, if you take my meaning. I know crediting and copyrights and all that jazz will beg to differ, but just think about it...John and Paul didn't TELL George to play every last note he played. If you hear a song with four guys on it, then even if only one of those guys thought of the song, there are still four guys playing on it, and you know for a fact that song your hearing sounds the way it does, because of those FOUR guys. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.187.254.238 (talk) 09:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

I don't think you are saying that Harrison should receive a co-credit on Lennon/McCartney songs, but it's worth saying that the activity you described is not considered songwriting. Solos and other guitar parts, even creative, well-played ones, follow the structure of the song and often either reference the main melody or counterpoint it. The composer(s) often do tell the other players what they are looking for, and may provide a demo or other guide. (Listen to the demo of "Come and Get It" that Paul McCartney created for Badfinger... that's an extreme example but Pete Townshend's demos for the Who were also pretty complete.) I am not saying that Lennon or McCartney provided such demos for their songs, or that Harrison had no input. I am not trying to bash Harrison (He became a competent songwriter, and wrote some great songs), but he didn't write the Lennon/McCartney songs and he wasn't their equal as a songwriter. The Beatles would not have been the same without George, he was a full 25% member of the band, and it's not a put-down to say Harrison wasn't the equal of John Lennon or McCartney as a songwriter. Those two were the best of their generation.

As an aside, if Harrison did get writing credits for his role in shaping songs, Eric Clapton would get a credit for "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and McCartney would get one for "Something". (Just two examples)

One disadvantage fo Harrison was that Lennon and McCartney collaborated at least in part on most of their songs, and neither of them collaborated with Harrison (with a couple exceptions).

I added a response to your comment (almost 90-days old and probably forgotten) because I saw it just as I was going to add a comment on the current Overview section. That section begins, "During the Beatles' heyday, John Lennon and Paul McCartney were its main songwriters though Harrison generally wrote and/or sang lead on one or two songs for each album." IMO, it's wrong to start an overview of George that way. It should start with something about why he is notable, and something positively notable if possible. It can be completely neutral, maybe something like "Harrison was the lead guitar player for the Beatles, joining future Beatles John Lennon and Paul McCartney in an early incarnation of the band called the Quarrymen, ..." It should be balanced, but that doesn't mean starting with what is essentially a negative. I may have a go at this article at some point but in the meantime if someone can focus on it, please improve the Overview, and also try to provide some sorely-needed citations. John Cardinal 07:19, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] George Harrison's birth date

George Harrison's birthday is listed here as February 25; however, before his death George reported that he was actually born February 24, just before midnight. All his life he had thought it was February 25, just after midnight, but he says he found out somehow that that was incorrect. It is a subject of debate among his fans. Anyone have any thoughts on whether or not we should change his birthday on this page? -- HollyAm [02:09, 8 October 2002]

http://www.beatlesagain.com/breflib/georgebd.html if authentic, is compelling evidence for Feb 25. [10:34, 23 February 2004 203.220.140.54]

Perhaps a short bit about the debate between Feb 24th and 25th should be added rather than changing the birthdate outright? --Leerie [00:36, 17 August 2005]

• At the Smoking Gun, his released death certificate [1] says Feb 25. --Fallout boy 04:05, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

George Harrison went on record as saying the rumour about his birth date being the 24th of February was a fabrication of his own that had caught on. I think this can be found in the web chat he did (possibly with AOL?), but unfortunately I do not have the link. McGonicle 19:15, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok guys, I've just changed the birthdate to 25th February. It is without doubt his correct birthdate. Although I do not currently have a reference to the occasion on which George debunked the 24th February myth, the offical death certificate linked above should be satisfactory evidence of his correct birthdate, and until anybody can provide superior evidence to the contrary, it will ever be thus. McGonicle 23:14, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Well in that case it shouldn't say that he was "in fact" born on the 24th! I'll edit it now in line with the above, but I'm not taking a position on the matter. --kingboyk 21:48, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

So, if the 25th is settled on, why does it say the 24th?

For much the same reason why some people don't sign their posts; they tend to write what they feel is right without bothering to check. LessHeard vanU 13:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Concert for Bangladesh financial results

the concert for bangladesh actually did not raise any money, it lost money after expenses were factored in. this is documented in several places. George Harrison may have gave some of his own money to the the refugees as charity, but as i dont know for sure, I kept silent about that aspect.--- nibor [07:10, 5 June 2004 66.71.221.72]

The convert did raise money, but the fund was handled by Allen Klein and Abcko. As a result, the bulk of it, the earnings from the album and film, remained locked up for several years. Several hundred thousand was reportedly raised. I have never seen any source that suggests that no money was raised. As I understand it the actual concerts costs were kept to a minimum, all performers charged no fee and many of the staff were working on a voluntary basis. McGonicle 10:05, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] George Harrison and Aaliyah

I have added the fact about how the posthumous re-issue of "My Sweet Lord" replaced Aaliyah's "More than a Woman" at the number one slot, making them the only back to back posthumous #1 hits in the UK.

This fact has also been added to the article about Aaliyah.

- Rico [00:10, 30 January 2005 172.212.45.188 ]

[edit] We miss you

3 years on and we miss you still George. Whatever places your jouney has taken you, we wish you well. [19:45, 11 February 2005 128.206.137.226]

[edit] Reorg and 'Taxman'

I've reorganized by decade a bit better and added a lot of material about the 1970s period.

As for "Taxman", rec.music.beatles opinion is that Lennon may have helped out a bit with the words, but Harrison disputed the extent ... in any case, Lennon wasn't co-credited, so for the purposes of this article I don't think it's worth mentioning. --jls

As Taxman is credited solely to Harrison and neither have to my knowledge ever gone on record as claiming that Lennon contributed, it is conjecture and has no place in an encyclopedia. rec.music.beatles has lots of theories, but the bulk of them are just fans with no insider knowledge, or with anything in print. McGonicle 10:10, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, according to John Lennon in his final interview with Playboy from 1980 he said the following concerning the song "Taxman": "I remember the day he (George Harrison) called to ask for help on 'Taxman,' one of his bigger songs. I threw in a few one-liners to help the song along, because that's what he asked for." January 29, 2006. Peter.

That is what Ian McDonalds say too. Anyway, it is menationed in the Taxman article and IMHO there is no need to mentioned that Lennon wrote a couple of lines of the song --Zoeds 19:57, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Did you know that Stevie Ray Vaughan recorded Taxman and can be found on the greatist hits. I seriously doubt anyone will want to put that on this page. But anyway this article is SOOOOO much better than it was last time I checked good work :.)

[edit] ISKCON wording

From the 'Early Years' section: "While, during his lifetime, Harrison had bequeathed to the society his Lethmore Heath ranch, located north of London, he redoubted speculations that he would leave ISKCON a large sum in his will: in fact, he left nothing to the organization." Is this supposed to be 'redoubled'? Monkeyman 13:26, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I guess. That whole sentence was a mess, I've attempted to fix it. Wasted Time R 14:44, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] This article is about the Beatle George Harrison...

I'm not going to change this, but I don't understand why "Beatle" was used in place of "musician". It seems a bit too specific. [17:19, 26 July 2005 The Computer Mutt]

• Yes, I agree with you. I think it would be much better to use "musician" instead of "Beatle". [18:59, 26 July 2005 Superior Interactive]

[edit] Main Image

The first picture of George playing his Gretsch Tennessean outdoors is reversed. George was a right-handed player.

Is there any reason why the all Beatles' main pictures have been changed to 1962/1963 era images? I don't think pictures from that era are reflective enough of each Beatle's life to warrant being the main image.

Bbsrock

it's because they are all free public domain images which we should use in preference to others. Arniep 16:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

AlvinMGO

...but isn't there a better one of George in the public domain? I'd look for one myself if I knew where to start. AlvinMGO 17:45, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

You can start here Wikipedia:Public_domain_image_resources.  :) Monkeyman^(talk) 17:50, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

...sure, catch me trying be lazy. :-( Thanx, Monkeyman. AlvinMGO 17:56, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pseudonyms

Should the pseudonyms be removed? an anonymous user just took them out and i can't decide whether or not to put them back.

How do I get someone to talk about those "quirky" rock chords that George was playing in a rock r& band?

I have tried to play those diminishd ninths and given up. He played jazz chords in a rock band, making the songs open to much wider varieties of music.

[edit] George's middle name

This article originally listed George's full name as "George Harold Harrison." George's birth certificate shows no middle name. His father's name was Harold. Rich 21:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Addition needing source

Someone added the following paragraph but it is not clear if it is original research or referring to an opinion published in a reputable source:

In early Beatles songs, Harrison's lead guitar parts were solid but unremarkable; he had yet to truly develop his own style. However, Harrison's guitar playing became more distinctive later in the band's career. His solos on songs such as "Something" and "Let It Be" (particularly on the album version of the song, which has a different guitar solo from the version released as a single) rank among his best, and are marked by an expressive and refined sound.

Arniep 09:57, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wonderwall Music and Electronic Sound albums

I was vaguely aware of the above two albums, particularly the latter, but could not find them mentioned in the article. They are listed in the discography, where I learned that the former was the first solo album by a Beatle, and the first release on the Apple label. It also appears to be a Western rock/Indian music fusion recording, which may also be the first such.

I am slightly more familiar with "Electronic Sound", since I recall both the Zapple label stuff, but also that it was the first album to feature the Moog synthesiser as a primary musical instrument - rather than a novelty effect on otherwise traditional songs - and possibly qualifies as the first commercially released "Electro(nic)" album.

"Hello!?" These are groundbreaking recordings, and they are not mentioned in the main body of the article? Since his work since The Beatles is broken into decades, should there not be a "1960's" decade which could mention this stuff and anything else that can be found outside of his day job? I feel that there is a strong case for someone with more knowledge about this aspect of Harrisons career expanding this article.

Innovations by Harrison gets passed by, and Macca's Frog Chorus is mentioned? Lummee...LessHeard vanU 10:27, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

{{sofixit}} Before you get too carried away with superlatives you might wanna listen to it first :P (George's career glitters with diamonds as far as I'm concerned - more so than the other 3 - but Electronic Sound probably isn't one of them :) ) --kingboyk 19:02, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

As you quite rightly point out, I haven't heard either album, but I am not commenting on the quality or lack thereof - just that they were one of (if not the) first records of that type and are notable for that in itself. Since I have not heard them then I am not the person to write them into the article, either, as I would only be copying what is already in the discography section.LessHeard vanU 21:35, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Whilst I'm at it...

There are other bits and pieces about Harrison which may or may not be deemed worthy of inclusion;

Quips - At first Beatles recording session at EMI, George Martin "...and if there is anything you don't like, let me know and I'll change it." Harrison, "Well, I don't like your tie!"

Ken Dodd, interviewing The Beatles and referring to Ringo's name, "Can you think of a name for me? Rhymes with my name? Something earthy?" Harrison, "Sod?"

Concert for Bangladesh / Live Aid - I believe that Harrison was a "consultant" for distrubition of funds raised, since he had experience... he had already made most of the mistakes possible following the Concert for Bangladesh. I am pretty sure Bob Geldof approached him, amongst many others, when planning the concert.

Lennon McCartney songwriting assists. In the film "Let It Be" McCartney is shown struggling with composing the song The Long And Winding Road. It is Harrison who suggests slowing the tempo, and as soon as McCartney (reluctantly) tries it it becomes the song we recognise. As this is an example of how The Beatles often worked in the studio, it brings into dispute the notion that other Beatles help in Harrison compositions should be recognised in the credits. Ringo Starr is not credited on the tracks Hard Days Night or Eight Days A Week, even though he is recognised as originating the phrases which formed the titles of the tracks.

Um... perhaps someone may take a more diplomatic view on the above?LessHeard vanU 10:51, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

The first one definitely. That little retort has gone into legend, and it would be good to note that it was young Mr Harrison who said it. A comment from the other George would be nice too; I'm pretty sure there's an interview knocking around where Mr Martin (as he was then) has said that he wasn't terribly impressed by it! --kingboyk 19:05, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] George in America - 1963

George, accompanied by his brother Peter, visited his sister Louise and her husband in Benton, a town in southern Illinois in September 1963. He was the only member of the Beatles to visit the USA before the Beatles became famous in the USA.

George and Peter arrived in St. Louis on September 17, 1963 and stayed until October 3, 1963.

George's sister Louise knew Gabe McCarty who was a member of the Four Vests. The Four Vests were the most popular band in Southern Illinois. McCarty had heard the Beatles album Please Please Me at Louise's house (this was pre Beatles US invasion remember) and was impressed and would come by often to hear the album again.

On September 28, 1963 The Four Vests played a dance at the Eldorado, Illinois VFW (Veteran's of Foreign Wars) hall. After their first set, they invited George to join them onstage. George was reluctant, saying he wasn't sure he didn't know if he knew the band's numbers well enough. With some coaxing they got him on stage and he performed or accompanied the band on some Hank Williams, Chuck Berry and Carl Perkins tunes. This even would be the first time a member of the Beatles played live in the United State.

Reference: Book: "Before He was Fab: George Harrison's First American Visit" by Jim Kirkpatrick, published by Cache River Press, Vienna, Illinois

[edit] Category:Eric Clapton

I think George should be included in Clapton's category because they were very close (possibly best) friends for years, and Clapton was a guest performer on George's recordings and a sideman at many of his concerts for the entirety of Harrison's solo career, whenever it was possible for both. I think working with George made up a significant amount of Eric's career.
Keep in mind, I'm not proposing adding Clapton to Harrison's category, just Harrison to Clapton's. If you guys still think it's not enough to merit inclusion, I won't re-add it. MightyMoose22 ^{>Abort, Retry, Fail?_} 12:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

What's your rationale for George to Eric's category and not vice versa? They were both quite important figures in each other's lives. That said, the reason I removed it was that I don't think their connection was sufficient to make logical sense. The only two people currently in Category:George Harrison are his wife and son (no John, Paul, George, Ringo, Ravi, Billy, etc). No persons other than Mr Clapton himself are in Category:Eric Clapton. I just don't think it makes sense to have George appear in Eric's category, nor the other way round.

There's certainly no philosophical objection from me. I understand that they interconnected in some substantial ways over George's life, and indeed afterwards with Clapton's awesome Concert for George. Bottom line for me: George in Eric's category and Eric in George's, or neither. I lean towards neither for reasons above. Other opinions please... ? --kingboyk 12:25, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, my rationale was that whilst working with George was a relatively large part of Eric's career, working with Eric was a relatively small part of George's. That's what I've always thought, anyway, and I assumed that was your reason for removing the category in the first place. I have nothing against adding both to both, it's just that I personally wasn't going to. MightyMoose22 ^{>Abort, Retry, Fail?_} 12:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Okie dokie. Makes sense. Let's see if anyone else will chip in. --kingboyk 12:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

You may as well include both, since they both started off their careers clean-shaven and then wore beards later on... or to put it another way, whilst they were friends and shared a wife (at different times) neither was more or as important to the others career as other individuals. I see no reason for them to share categories. LessHeard vanU 13:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] George Harrysong

I noticed that there's an article for George Harrysong, supposedly an alias of George Harrison. I don't think that there's enough info on that article. I think that the info from that article should be inserted into the George Harrison article, and the George Harrysong page should be redirected to here. ([[User:Ibaranoffhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:George_Harrison&action=edit# --70.253.132.59 05:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)24|Ibaranoff24]] 03:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC))

I agree with the comment that the George Harrysong article ought to be merged with the George Harrison one. As an alias of George Harrison, it ought to be mentioned in the George Harrison article--that is if there are even sources cited.

The "George Harrysong" article should be a subset of the "George Harrison" article, with more information about Harrison pseudonymns (such as L'Angelo Mysterio, etc.) Srsrsr 18:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

The article has no incoming links except from here. Looks like fancruft to me. I support the merge/redirect proposal. --kingboyk 18:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pseudonyms

Yikesorama! Do we really need articles on every pseudonym George ever used?! It's fancruft gone mad. I'd favour delinking all and merging or deleting. --kingboyk 18:47, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I've redirected them all here. If somebody wants to retrieve the text for each to expand the section here with specific details or create one overview article on George's aliases and work for other artists, you can find them in Category:WikiProject The Beatles merged articles. Please don't restore the individual articles as I'll be tempted to just delete them. It's fancruft in the extreme and not what WP:BEATLES was set up to achieve! --kingboyk 19:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Main Photo

I can't say that I was a close friend of George's, but I can say that I say I knew him. That main photo of him on this site is not very represenative of George. His long haired era was short lived, more of a fad than anything. I think something a bit more trim might better suit a photo memoriam of our friend.

It's recognisable though. It's more what we are allowed to use than anything else.--Crestville 09:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

--kingboyk 17:38, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

he kinda looks like Jesus in that picture. -Vladimir Lenin 20:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Main Photo

I just uploaded a photo of George during the Get Back concert.What do you say we put this one as the main picture ? The actual "Jesus-like" picture is not very representative , I think.Anyways , my messages on wikipedia are often ignored , so I'll just wait a couple days and then do it myself, if nobody has an objection.

Harrison on January 30, 1969 , during the famous Rooftop Concert

I also uploaded this one Image:GeorgeGuitar.jpg , and put it as main photo.

MrGater 19:41, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I have inlined the images on this talk page because, according to item #9 on WP:FUC, unfree images are only allowed on articles. I hope you understant, thanks. --Abu Badali 00:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, there's a problem with the first image. It's a screenshot, and we can only use unfree screenshots to talk about the movie, and not about the person depicted. You may want to read WP:Fair use. --Abu Badali 00:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Right. When I just saw your edit summary I thought "oh no, yet more overstrict application of the fair use rules" but, nope, you're right. We might be able to use a picture of George in the Get Back film when commenting out about his appearance in the film, but using it as the lead image isn't really on. What was wrong with the original image and can somebody restore it? --kingboyk 23:50, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

The previous main was Image:GeorgeWithGuitar.jpg, but it got deleted after the uploader failed to provide evince the image was free. --Abu Badali 00:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I am just curious as to why there is a picture of George that is obviously mirrored. Just gives, well, a false impression. Great picture though and hey, I'm no wikipedia expert but y'know.. *dust* - sudhra 13:23, 9 September 2006 (AEST)

It's a pretty crap picture isn't it. It's a free pic though, which gives it a lot of extra weight on Wikipedia. Are there any other free pics to choose from? There must be! --kingboyk 10:48, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

Would anyone argue if I changed the infobox from Guitarist to Template:Infobox musical artist? It has the same information as guitarist plus he has his own solo albums where he does more then play guitar including his first experimental solo album. Andrzejbanas 19:34, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

The guitarist box is currently under expansion to better cover artists like Harrison who's resume is broad. Musician box is perfect for Lennon, McCartney and Ringo. But Harrison deserves the more unique infobox related to his special skills. Anger22 21:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

but the current music infobox has a space for specific instruments, why not use it? Andrzejbanas 07:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stabbing incident

Uhm, is it just me or is this not very encyclopedir or NPOV (or is this called "weasel words".. not sure about that). Read along with me: (emphasis mine)

"In late 1999 Harrison survived a horrific knife attack by an intruder in his home, which nightmarishly mirrored John Lennon's murder." ... "a psychopath (has he been diagnosed??)," Michael Abram," ... "Harrison was understandably traumatized"...

Agreed to edit this? Jumpingshark 16:33, 12 October 2006 (CEST)

Good points. Be bold and edit as you see fit. If people disagree than they can edit as they see fit. I would comment that "traumatized" is a medical term, and unless it can be shown that this is a diagnosis it should also be removed (and it uses the American spelling - so it would have needed to be changed if it were kept).LessHeard vanU 08:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I just added a fact that I'd known for awhile about George and the Wilburys... Jeff and George remastered the first album just months before his death, there are finally a few sources on Google News reporting this. I don't know how to cite on here, but I did add it to the article. Olivia's latest press release confirms this.

[edit] Attention?

Does anyone know why this was marked as needing attention? I mean, it DOES need attention, but I was wondering why someone set that flag in the WikiProject Guitarists banner. --Aguerriero (talk) 17:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

====================--217.110.124.98 09:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

"Harrison was not a virtuoso guitarist, especially in the early days of the Beatles' recording career. His earliest recorded electric guitar solos tended to be clunky and unimaginative, especially when compared to legendary rock 'n' roll guitarists like Scotty Moore, Cliff Gallup or even his idol, Carl Perkins. Several of Harrison's famous Beatles guitar solos were recorded under specific directions from Paul McCartney, who on occasion demanded that Harrison play what he envisioned virtually note-for-note." - Who wrote that? If you listen to the solos of "Till There Was You" and "Don't Bother Me" (a Harrison song) from With the Beatles (1963!), you hear an accomplished, imaginative guitarist already who knows something about solo architecture. It must be doubted that Paul McCartney "wrote" these solos - McCartneys well-known solos ("Taxman", "Good Morning, Good Morning") are far less melodic and structured than anything Harrison ever played.

[edit] I think George himself should be the best source

Hi,I started reading and discovered at least two topics in which George himself told things in a different way in the Anthology dvd series.I'm talking about how he first discovered the sitar (In the set of the film Help!,he said)and where did he buy his first one (In a shop in London called "Oriental... i can't remember the rest right now) --Aristarco de Samotracia 12:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

The best thing would be to cite both. Wikipedia does not attempt to only publish what is true, but what is verifiable. Also, George's memory was probably like most peoples - fallible. LessHeard vanU 14:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rumored 'Final Meeting' with Paul McCartney False

Despite what this wiki says, George actually had made peace with Paul years before his death. Paul actually frequented George's house several times a year for dinner, and to see the family. An easy citation for this statement can be found heard on the introduction of "Something" on "Concert For George." Paul recites one of his many past experiences with George, eating dinner, at his house.

The previous false statement that I removed probably stems from the original Lennon/McCartney arguments that went to Lennon's grave. Harrison was infamous for playing slide guitar on the song "How do you sleep" with Lennon. Years later, during Anthologies the two worked alongside with Ringo on the anthology project. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.58.70.42 (talk) 22:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC).