Talk:Gutzon Borglum

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Gutzon Borglum's father had two wives, not more. The fact is, he was a bigamist not a polygamist. Wetman 17:27, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Agreed. However, the practice (if he was indeed LDS) would have been called Plural Marriage or Polygamy from his viewpoint. That is why the change was made. I'll change to plural marriage with an explanation. Thanks. Visorstuff 23:16, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)

That's fine now. Wetman 10:48, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)

How Long did it take him? (Anon.)

He was still hard at work at mt Rushmore when he died. his son quickly wrapped up the project, pretty much complete as it was. --Wetman 21:50, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Image 2 KKK 'sympathetic connections' or 'membership'? 3 I just moved this to discussion 4 Poop on him? 5 I just cut this sentence out

[edit] Image

I uploaded Image:Gutzonborglum.jpg from the Library of Congress to replace the first image of the article, which has an obselete PD tag. Problem is, I forgot to remove the frame of the image (and I don't have Paint Shop Pro or other Graphics software). Can somebody quickly remove the frame and re-upload it? Thanks, AndyZ 00:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KKK 'sympathetic connections' or 'membership'?

The article says: "At Stone Mountain he developed sympathetic connections with the reorganized Ku Klux Klan, who were major financial backers for the monument." But according to Stone Mountain, he was a Ku Klux Klan member, which is more than just having sympathetic connections. The two articles should be resoved. --Mmathu 07:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

It says he's a member in the Mount Rushmore article, as well. Glitterglue 23:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

According to the Shaff's book on Borglum, Six Wars at a Time, which includes about 20 references to the KKK in the index, he was a member. As with most things surrounding this complex man it is not a simple as it might seem wher we talking about joining the KKK in 2006. The KKK was being reinvented starting in 1915, the time at which Borglum was spending a lot of time in Atlanta trying to get funding for his Stone Mountain project. He saw the newly emerging KKK as being a source for such finincial resources. He also saw the KKK as being a rural populist movement, set up to hopefully wrest power from the urban capitalists who were running the country. Long story short, Gutzon Borglum was a member of the KKK. Carptrash 14:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I suggest that the 'sympathetic connections' comment in this article be changed accordingly. Any disagreement? — Mmathu 07:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Here is what 6 Wars says.

By joining and trying to mold the Klan, Gutzon was not seeking personal power. He did not want to wear a hood and robe , stand before a burning cross or preach a morality based on fear or floggings. Gutzon was a Klansman, but not for the reasons held by most other Klansmen. p. 197

So my guess is that a lot of foks will view his being a member in terms of the Klan today, but oh well. Carptrash 15:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC) PS I wish you'd register as a wikipedian, Mmathu.

[edit] I just moved this to discussion

"(anscestor of elizabeth jean troyer who currently resides in boise idaho. her father was his favorite nephew) "

If it is to stay in the article - - -- well we need to discuss it. Carptrash 14:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Poop on him?

One S.O.B has written the following:

(John) Gutzon de la Mothe Borglum (March 25, 1867 – March 6, 1941) was the American sculptor famous for creating the monumental presidents' heads at Mount Rushmore, South Dakota, as well as dozens of other impressive public works of art. POOP ON HIM

I somehow couldn't find it in the "edit this page". Can someone look into it?

You were looking at an older, already fixed version of the article. Or perhaps it was getting fixed as you saw it. Borglum gets a fair amount of these sorts of edits, which is the price we pay for allowing Jr. high school kids to edit. Who was it that said said that " eternal vigilance is the price of freedom"? Anyway, this is why many/most dedicated wikipedians do vandalism patrol. Carptrash 14:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I just cut this sentence out

and we can talk about it here (I added the bold).

and the Stone Mountain carving in Stone Mountain, Georgia, which is the largest Confederate monument

The Stone Mountain fiasco is discussed in the article, but since none of Gorglum's work there remains, the sentence (opinion) does not really belong in the introduction. Carptrash 06:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)