Talk:Heroes (TV series)/Archive 11

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Contents 1 Wizard Universe interviews 2 2007 Updates to the Page 3 "Heroes" redirect 4 International Broadcasters 5 Info on "the symbol" 6 Update template at top of article 7 Sigils 8 External link 9 WikiProject Heroes 2.0 10 Use of the term 'Imagery' instead of 'Sigil' , 'Symbol', and so on. 11 In-Sink-Erator 12 Characters section 13 Wikipedia articles improperly reproduced on NBC's Heroes wiki 14 Plot 15 Infobox 16 License plate on Sulu's Car 17 Should update the "where does it air?" list...SciFi U.S. has dropped the show. 18 Niki/Jessica Sanders needs added to the list of characters that have the sigil for "Godsend"

Wizard Universe interviews

Wizard Universe is publishing a series of Q&A interviews with the cast and writers over the next few days. The first Q&A with Jack Coleman was published today. These interviews may be good sources for references and additional article information. - fmmarianicolon | Talk 00:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The second interview, specifically the second page may or might not offer something. With regard Wizard stated: "One of Sylar’s powers was his ability to freeze someone, which implies that he killed someone who had that power." Writer Aron Coleite did not deny this, but wasn't really give much chance to respond to it directly, either. Not an encyclopedia grade slam donk, but something. Furthermore, question related to the Haitian was given the round about response that "he has a lot of control." Said response wasn't really a good answer for the question, which was basically "the Haitian’s powers are a little confusing", but at least said something concrete. Overall, I think we're probably not gonna get much. Jack Coleman gives great interviews from I've read, but otherwise, I'm not hopeful. Thanks for mentioning it, though. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

The writers did confirm Sylar can freeze people in this interview. They also confirmed his memory will be getting better as a result of absorbing Charlie's power. --Stabbey 15:07, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

2007 Updates to the Page

This is kinda stubbed. I'm going to edit this while I'm at work. I added the Season 2 Premiere info. I think Canada has a 2007 Season 2 Premiere. Anyone care to quote a website? Imper1um 18:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't really understand this – the List of Heroes episodes lists all episodes, also those from 22 January on, for season 1. Also, Fallout didn't really seem like a real end of a season to me ... Can anyone enlighten me? --hangy 19:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The reason for that is because it isn't Season 2 thats being released, but part 2 of Season 1. Jacobshaven3 20:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Updated Chapter 1. I should have the entire episode Synopsis done tonite at 8:00 PM EST. Please add here if you see any problems with the page. Thanks --Imper1um 20:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

There's a complete article about Genesis - no need to have the information twice ... --hangy 20:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The article isn't stubbey regarding the episode summaries, it's just condensed the current information, anything extra isn't really required, in my opinion. though other areas of the article may require more information, I'm not too sure. Jacobshaven3 20:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

"Heroes" redirect

Hey. I just thought I'd give a heads up that the redirect page of Heroes (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) has been fought over a bit. The issue, put simply, is whether it should redirect to Heroes (TV series) or Hero (disambiguation). You can see that page's talk for more details. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I toook a look, and the page was protected. I'd further say thanks to Ace for actually reverting the changes back. They were set to aim here, and Ace instead fixed the page to go back to the Hero Disambig. This edit helps show that the regular page editors are not fanboy zealots, but instead continue to be good contributors to Wikipedia who don't place excess value on our own pages. Seems like Ace's promise is in effect still. ThuranX 01:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I feel it should go to this page. Its the same as an issue I had with the Random Disambig page. It was changed so that looking up random would lead to the page on randomness, rather than the Random disambig page. If someone types in something, I think the benefit of the doubt should go with the word they type in rather than attempting to define what they "meant" WookMuff 01:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

No, I'm sorry. I think it's right to redirect to Hero(disambig). There are many connotations to Heroes as a word. Giving hte widest sset of options is far better. Disambig pages function as a sort of index feature, and should be used whenever there's reasonable conflict. It's one click and a few lines to read as it is. Further, the page has been protected against redirecting here. You'd have to go appeal a decision at WP:RGM to get it redirected, apparently. I can tell you, though, that it's clear that two regular editors of this page will support the current disambiguation page redirect over going to a straight redirect. ThuranX 02:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Guys, could you take it to Talk:Heroes? Gees. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 06:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I was just weighing in :) I am done. WookMuff 07:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

International Broadcasters

Please add Philippines to the list of Asian Countries that will be premiering Heroes on January 31, 2007.

This is based from http://www.startv.com/schedule/daily.html?country=PH&feed=1c9b46a17677079c691a9b0af26bc683&year=2007&month=1&day=31 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.90.128.28 (talk • contribs) on 03:16, January 18, 2007 (UTC); Please sign your posts!

Info on "the symbol"

There is an instance of the "symbol" in the show which is not mentioned in the article. In episode 8, at 17m 10s the symbol is visible in the cycling code of Chandra Suresh's computer. souldancer (59.167.18.26 03:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC))

hey everyone idk if this has been mentioned before but on NBC's myspace video section they have a video that says what the symbol means. here the link [1] ... since the episode with this info hasen't aired i'm unsure on hw to go about putting this info on the page ... im new. --Greg yeah 11:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Does being "new" cover the typing issues, too? >.> Seriously, though, this isn't a general explanation of the symbol. Notice that there arec subtle differences between the Japanese version and the regular version. For one, the lines on the "S" don't usually go through to each side. No, this is a specialize symbol with a specialized meaning. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 14:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

That's hardly civil, ACS. It would be like me pointing out that you aren't new and made just as many typos. WookMuff 19:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Even so, I think it's much to early to compare the two symbols with that detail. There are so many ways to write letters in the English language, it's sickening. So, just because this version is slightly different from another version, doesn't mean it's not the same symbol. But, I'm not saying it is the same symbol either. It's too early to go either way. The similarity, though, should point that they are referring to the same thing. Time will tell. PureSoldier 20:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree, for the most part. I'm not saying this a separate symbol so much as it has a distinct, separate meaning. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

If it differs in meaning, I can understand that. Similar to the Nazi's taking the Swastika from other cultures, thus changing it's meaning. However, the Haitian, for example, could know the meaning behind what's on the sword, altered it for purely aesthetics value, and using it the same way. We don't know enough about why the Haitian (who, I believe is the only one that has the symbol intentionally) has the necklace, to make the assumption that it's a different meaning. Once we know why the Haitian has it, then we can make those comparisons. PureSoldier 23:59, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I love the concept that the symbol means different thing to different characters, before “Godsend” I thought it was part of a DNA strand double helix in 2D. Matthew 22:12, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

That’s what I figured was the case … and in other news I’ll start typing everything in Word first, then spell check it, and finally paste it here to ensure that there are no spelling or grammar errors ^_^ --Greg yeah 21:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

That's the ticket, Greg. See, Wook? All in the spirit of selg improvement. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Good to note: based on the episode 'Godsend', the symbol is mentioned that it comes from the Japanese kanji 与 (yo), meaning award, gift, godsend etc. Shao-Yoshi

"yo" means "to give" (the kunyomi verb "ataeru") or "gift". It can only have a divine pretext if coupled with other characters that give it such. Neoyamaneko 17:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

If that's really the case, you should cite a source to include that fact in the article. I don't really think it's that important, after all this is a work of fiction. --Milo H Minderbinder 17:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Not only that, but the kanji you mentioned would be literal translation. Not to mention that dialects differ on translation. So, their dialect could mean exactly what was said on the show. PureSoldier 18:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

On a somewhat related note, the line "On the hilt of Takezo Kensei's "samurai sword"." confused me; who is Takezo Kensei? I haven't heard of him and he's not on character page.

I can't find him online, except relating to heroes. He's a character in a story that is told to Hiro by his grandfather. I'm not sure if it's based in truth or not. He's not actually a character in Heroes. PureSoldier 13:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Takezo Kensei is a 16th-century samurai, probably fictional and created for the series. His full name appears on a museum plaque in the episode "Godsend," on the display containing the replica of the katana Hiro is seeking. In the subsequent subtitles translating Hiro's dialogue, the name is spelled Kensai, though Hiro is clearly saying "Kensei" each time.

I agree that the bare reference to Takezo Kensei is confusing. I'll try to rewrite the line, but it could easily become too verbose, which is probably why no one has rewritten it yet. --Stormraven 19:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

People, for the last time, a japanese variant's supposed meaning does not apply to every version. Let's not misinform readers. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

"last time"??? LOLZERZ!!! you know that more IPs will get into it. ThuranX 23:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I'd be more worried about registered users. *Looks at Dp.* Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 01:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

How exactly is this misinfomation? Why is it wrong to put what Ando said in Godsend? dposse 01:59, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Does everything have to be in a new topic for you? If so, it's gonna gett qwuite cluttery...fast. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:13, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

You're probably sick of hearing this, but you should try to be more civil. Now, would you mind answering the question? dposse 02:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Forgive me. I find your lack of attention a bit trying. "Seriously, though, this isn't a general explanation of the symbol. Notice that there arec subtle differences between the Japanese version and the regular version. For one, the lines on the "S" don't usually go through to each side. No, this is a specialize symbol with a specialized meaning. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 14:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)," "People, for the last time, a japanese variant's supposed meaning does not apply to every version. Let's not misinform readers. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)" Now, if repeating myself has made my point clear, I humbly ask that you revert your own edits. Civil enough? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ace Class Shadow (talk • contribs).

This article is about a tv show. Even though it might be true that the Japanese characters mean something else, it's meaningless. Ando Masahashi, a Japanese character, stated it in the show last night. As of the episode Godsend, it means "great talent" and "godsend" in the show. This is in the Heroes fictional universe. They explained what the symbol means in their universe. It is very important to put that infomation in this article, because that is what the writers of Heroes want us to know about their "symbol". This is why i put "revealed by Ando Masahashi" because i wanted to make clear that this revealed as a truth in the series canon universe. If you wish to reword my edit, fine. But please do not remove it. If you wish to add what the Japanese characters really mean, put it as Trivia with a source. dposse 03:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to risk stepping into the middle of this to offer a suggestion. You both have valid points. As it currently reads, the article implies that Ando's is the only explanation of the symbol. ("In episode 12 (Godsend), the symbol is revealed by Ando Masahashi to be a combination of two Japanese characters: 才 (sai) meaning 'great talent' and 与 (yo) meaning 'Godsend'.") This is perhaps, as Ace Class Shadow insists, too absolute and therefore potentially misleading.

However, I think dposse has a good point in that the information deserves to be included in the article. I recommend a revision of the sentence so that it isn't so absolute. How about if we make it read: "In episode 12 (Godsend), the symbol is described by Ando Masahashi as a combination of two Japanese characters: 才 (sai) meaning 'great talent' and 与 (yo) meaning 'Godsend.'" --Stormraven 03:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I've tried at least once to change data so it's not absolute and only refers to the Japanese variation. It wasn't accepted. I can be a little harsh and hardheaded sometimes, but I'm willing compromise in general. However, I can't say the same for several others. Will say this, though: DP, shut up with regard to "reliable sources" already. None of us are trying to force OR into articles, and I'm tired of you implying that we are. If anything, verifibility is that issue I'm raising with you. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 04:16, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah. I see. When i link to wiki guidelines, it's an attack. When everyone else does it, its perfectly fine. Just relax, Ace Class Shadow. I wasn't trying to imply anything. I just want to make sure, like you seem to be complaining about, that our infomation is correct. We're talking about another language here. It's easy to make mistakes with things like that, especially a difficult to translate language like Japanese. Ok? dposse 04:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

You're doing it all the time. Case in pont, the Zach thread(s) above. But that's okay, because, like I said, you're being a little hypocritical. Tell me, how can you verify that what applies to one symbol applies to another? Let's compare... the symbol with the sword hilt symbol. Now, they look similar. No one's denying that, but are they the same? Do the they have exactly the same meaning? Not verifiably, no. I'll give you another comparison. The sun and the moon. Do they have the same meaning just because they have similar shapes? How about an "I" and a lower case l? Hell, way not add a pipe ( | ) in the mix? Simply put, it's not enough that they look alike. Sure, it's enough to qualify as a version of the symbol, but to say that it's meaning is abosule would be misinforming the public. Wikipedia has standards and a reputation, ya know. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

You are being ridiculous ACS. Your examples are completely on the wrong track. A better example would have been something like the letter a and the anarchy symbol, something that is basically the same but with stylistic differences. As far as I can see, however, that is just an artistic and cultural representation of the same symbol. Is the symbol in the pool from episode 2 not the same because it was very rough and distorted? The symbol isn't the sun and the moon, anyway. It is two symbols which appear to have great significance within the FICTIONAL world of the television show. The writers, or at least the prop and set design people, have made it clear that the symbol is of some importance, and that the symbol on the sword is the symbol on Jessica's back is the symbol on the Haitians necklace is the symbol on Chandra's book is, as I said, the symbol shown on the pool. WookMuff 07:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it is a helix as well. It is the same sybol almost as used in the online game, and tey call it a helix. Makes sense to me especially with the DNA, and molecules!Kylefsu32 08:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Kyle

Update template at top of article

Dposse, I am confused as to why the {{update}} tag was added to the top of the article. Is there something specific in the article that is not up-to-date (prior to tonight's episode airing)? - fmmarianicolon | Talk 20:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Minus that "hiatus" statement—which was inherently wrong and poorly worded anyway—I can't see anytthing. Thus, I removed it. Tags shouldn't be used willy nilly. The article seems in good shape. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

You should've asked this on my personal talk page. Anyway, i was unsure about what to do with the "hiatus" statement. I felt that simply deleting it was wrong. So, i left the update template there. Perhaps that wasn't very bold of me, i know. Sorry. dposse 00:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It's an article issue. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 01:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It's a comment directed towards me, though. dposse 01:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Sigils

I hate the term, it's just a fancy word for symbols and it doesn't really apply to the mark or the eclipse. While "symbols" would be an improvement, I think something more general like "recurring elements" might be better. --Milo H Minderbinder 23:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree that "Sigils" is a poor choice for a section name. If anyone can come up with any better suggestions, then please post them here. dposse 00:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I incorporated the term sigils before the addition of the eclipse section. I used it, as Minderbinder says, as a synonym for symbols, which is no longer appropriate because eclipses are neither sigils nor symbols. I tried "Recurring images," but ThuranX didn't like that, apparently favoring a very technical definition of the term images. I still think "Recurring images" is fitting since these are all visual elements. But I'm not deeply invested in the article, so I'll pretty much leave it up to all of you to hash it out. --Stormraven 03:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Frankly, SYMBOLS is the ideal, because sigils are marks with a single specific meaning, whereas symbols evokes both symbolism, logos, and sigils. Until we know the story-purpose of each, and it's significances, we should keep it as symbols. Further, your tone above is unneeded. mocking me for being careful with the article by suggesting I'm 'very technical' isn't needed. ThuranX 04:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

No mockery intended, ThuranX. Apologies if it came across that way. --Stormraven 14:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, "the mark" is neither a symbol nor a sigil... it's a scar from a pair of incisions (as per the latest two issues of the Heroes comic). It's only notable because there are two cuts right next to each other instead of just one. --ΨΦorg 08:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, the eclipse isn't a symbol either. Recurring elements? Recurring visuals? Recurring stuff? I'd settle for symbols over sigils, but I think we can do better. --Milo H Minderbinder 13:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Recurring Imagery, perhaps. Though ThuranX doesn't like Images, imagery is possibly the most correct term, in so far as combining aspects of both visuals and symbolism. Of course, thats just how it seems to me. I have no issue with Images. An image only means a still picture in computer terms, to my knowledge. WookMuff 19:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd be fine with imagery. --Milo H Minderbinder 19:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

External link

At the moment there's a link at the bottom of the article that claims to be "Heroes NBC Forum", but is actually just a link to a fan forum. Should this be there? --Inexplicability 15:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Also i have a fan site - www.moonoversun.com, which doesnt get a say. Maybe you could start a seperate section for fan sites under external links? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tim rishi (talk • contribs).

Please see WP:SPAM - articles do not contain spam, kthx. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 18:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Heroes 2.0

Hey. Ace here. Okay, I know I haven't exactly been spreading the love lately, but I've got a new project that I think we all can agree on. Admittedly, this was first touched upon last year by EnsRedShirt. However, we all agreed it was way too early.; I even questioned the point. Still, a lot has changed since then, including my opinion of Wikipedia:WikiProjects in general. Between a second season being a lock, the overall success of show—including it's recent slim victory over 24[2]—and the number of editors already working together on this, I think it's time. WikiProject Heroes, specifically its talk page, could help ease some of the traffic this TP has gotten as the unofficial collaberation page. Other TV series projects should indicate that its only a matter of time before one is made. And, looking at that project page, we already have a lot to manage/work with. So, what do you say, guys? Either way, we'll going to be working together for a while. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm warming to the idea, but is the project going to be more then a banner? will we actually as a project collaborate to make articles on Heroes better? :-) thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 22:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Matthew, it's just a WikiProject. Don't make a friggin existential question out of it! Heh. But yeah, that was the idear. But now that you mention banners, those might be a good way to get people's attention. The support exists, I just need to point it in the right direction. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm interested and will definitely get involved if it does go ahead. Jacobshaven3 23:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

That is exactly my point ACS, It's just another WikiProject, I support it but I'd like to be part of something bigger and better, something that doesn't just sit there gathering members, i.e. Wikipedia:WikiProject Lost which I created and hasn't done anything. So yea I think before creation we should go in there with ideas/plans :-) - please don't take my messages as trying to make things difficult, I'm not, I like the idea, but I'm just expressing my opinions. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 23:50, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm fine with your opinions, Matthew. I've also reached my bark/bite quota for today. I do think this project will do more than "sit there". For one, the open tasks section is a good place to highlight a problem/improvable article. I'm excited. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea, Ace. The Wikiproject might actually help to calm this arguments between the editors here and also help to make sure this tv shows article is up to scratch. dposse 01:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

May I propose the SGS as the pic for the banner/tag? :) --Bill W. Smith, Jr. (talk/contribs) 06:56, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Great, guys. Good to see the positive feedback. Don't forget to sign the "members" list. Nothing says "valid" like visible support. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Use of the term 'Imagery' instead of 'Sigil' , 'Symbol', and so on.

These are symbols, signs, and sigils. They are single icons, in the graphical element sense. They are not Imagery. In the visual arts, Imagery specifically refers to connotations in the image united. For example, if when Peter fell from the ledge fighting Sylar, he had landed on his back, arms extended laterally, legs together or slightly bent in the same direction at the knee, but extending downward, we would have 'Crucifixion imagery', esp. as referential to his 'sacrifice' and Near-Death Experience. If after Hiro's jump back to the 'present', he had landed with a hand clutched over his chest, and his other hand held aloft, we might have a prophetic imagery, of a man holding the truth close and holding it aloft for others. However, we have what are essentially graphic design elements. They are little different from typographical characters, or corporate logos. As such, they re logos, symbols, sigils, and so on. Runes, even. They are not, however, Imagery. I hope this clarifies the situation. ThuranX 03:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. It clarifies your flawed opinion. An eclipse is not a rune, a surgical scar is not a sigil. WookMuff 03:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

ELement better defines, as they...are. PureSoldier 03:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I thought I made it pretty clear. I've given a fairly solid explanation of the difference between Imagery and a symbol, sigil, character, rune, or whatever synonym for scribed insignia you prefer. A further clarification: = is a character in most fontsets. The Pieta, Anunciation, and Adoration are not. What we see in the show are NOT imagery. They are symbols. As for my opinion being flawed, your attitude should be curtailed fast. You're pulling for ridiculous technicalities. 'Now it's a scar, and that's a Naturally occuring phenomena, not imagery, so YOU are wrong.' ThuranX 04:03, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

"your attitude should be curtailed fast. You're pulling for ridiculous technicalities." Yeah, sure, ok. WookMuff 04:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I support my idea of using "Element" by this definition: "a component or constituent of a whole or one of the parts into which a whole may be resolved by analysis" Which seems to define what you're trying to. PureSoldier 04:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah ok, i didn't get what you meant in your previous comment, but i agree that elements is a perfectly viable word, i just feel that it should be noted they are visual elements that (for two of them at least) possibly contain deeper meanings. WookMuff 04:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I realized that after a few minutes...thought it'd better be clear than not.PureSoldier 04:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

No, I was good with 'Elements', and left it while fixing other things in tht section. I Just decided it was necessarry to make clear my objections to the wholely erroneous use of 'Imagery', to avoid it being reinserted. ThuranX 04:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I think elements is the best choice, but I'd like to point out that "imagery" in my dictionary is "visual symbolism" which seems perfectly appropriate for all three. And a scar or eclipse isn't a sigil by any stretch of the imagination. And Ace, what's up with removing the explanation of the symbol given by the show? --Milo H Minderbinder 13:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

In-Sink-Erator

The note about Emerson's lawsuit is an interesting tidbit -- I think a small note should be added that inserting body parts into a garbage disposal unit *will* almost certainly result in bodily harm. Emerson apparently just doesn't like to have this displayed on T.V. I wouldn't want anyone to interpret Emerson's claim as a suggestion it's safe to reach into a garbage disposal unit (although it would serve Emerson right to get a large injury claim leveled against them due to their IMHO frivilous lawsuit).

The article is apparently protected so I can't add it myself, but basically I'd like to see a note added to the effect of: The In-sink-erator user manual makes it very clear (bottom of page 6) that you should not reach into the waste disposal unit, and that you should disconnect power from the unit when doing maintenance. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ejtttje (talk • contribs) on 08:17, January 29, 2007 (UTC); Please sign your posts!

There would be two or three problems with adding that. First off, it would probably be considered original research, and may be a non-neutral point of view, adding information in order to support a position rather than to neutrally state the facts. Second, Wikipedia already disclaims that it is providing legal or medical advice, so to add another one here would be redundant. --ΨΦorg 22:09, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Characters section

The first reference to Simone calls her 'Isaac's ex-girlfriend' before Isaac is mentioned. Can someone fix the order of the character list so this isn't as awkward. Thanks -- Matt--64.42.209.81 22:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

In the newest episode (that just aired mon 1/29), Clair's mother was introduced, as well as micah's power's details. If anyone could fill in on micah's page, as well as adding clair's mother, that would be nice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.135.173.212 (talk • contribs) on 04:13, January 30, 2007 (UTC); Please sign your posts!

This is not a place for requesting general edits to Heroes-lated articles. Furthermore, the episode just aired. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 07:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Minor point, but there is a rather goofy debate on whether it is preferable/proper to wikilink Jack and Leonard's names once, or more than once, in this section. True, there is a general Wiki guideline about avoiding redundant links, but the format of this section (some brief commentary followed by a listing) makes it awkward to link Jack and Leonard's names in the former but not the latter, especially since all of the other actors' names are linked in the list. -- Tim (Littlebluedog 16:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC))

Wikipedia articles improperly reproduced on NBC's Heroes wiki

• Not sure if anyone's interested, but it looks like the episode summaries over at NBC's Heroes wiki have been lifted right from Wikipedia with no attribution. Plus their wiki doesn't appear to say under what license they're presenting the material on the site either. See their episode articles and compare to the episode articles here. Parts of their Sylar article also appear to have been lifted from here as well. Looking around the site it looks like a bunch of other articles are also using content right from Wikipedia without attribution. :( --Inexplicability 05:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
  • If its a wiki also, why not fix the citing yourself (and link back to their respective articles)? Marcsin 19:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I don't have an account there and the account creation didn't seem to work for me last time I tried. Also even citing the material may not be sufficient depending on the license they're claiming for their material. I dont know details about the GFDL so I figured I'd let others here more familiar with it see if something needed to be done. --Inexplicability 21:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

There's no create-account button. That's annoying. You can only log in if you already have an account. Avt tor 22:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

The NBC Heroes Wiki shares its accounts with the NBC Forum. Just create a forum account and you can use that username/pass for their wiki. --Joshtek 01:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Plot

Does anyone else agree that the Plot section is badly written and is not an actual plot summary? It doesnt actually tell anyone the plot, instead it talks about the tag-lines and phrases like:'kicks off the second arc', and such. I am in Australia and have only seen the first episode so far... and this plot summary on here isnt clear to me, so wouldnt be clear to anyone who hasnt ever seen Heroes. This is an encyclopedia, remember? Not a clique fan-site where it's to be expected that everyone knows what it's all about. Regards, Matt

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Infobox

Would anyone mind adding the picture format of the show to the infobox, or mind if I did it? I'm not exactly sure how to source it other than I've watched the broadcast over the air, and it's 1080i (as most of NBC's shows seem to be). Uagent 06:37, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

License plate on Sulu's Car

When getting into the car at the end of the Feb. 5th episode, the license plate on Sulu's Car reads NCC 1701. This is the number of the Original ENTERPRISE. 12.197.58.243 03:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)Devin Hennessy

I caught that also, that is a great tribute! :) --Mjrmtg 03:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Should update the "where does it air?" list...SciFi U.S. has dropped the show.

The 7PM Friday showings of HEROES have been pulled from SciFi's schedule. It won't be on this week (Feb. 9th), and there's nothing currently listed up thru the end of March. That means the listing showing what channel the show airs in what country is no longer correct for the United States. One airing per week now. Mondays on NBC only. *sigh* —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.3.65.1 (talk) 04:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

The Sci FI channel in America takes multi-month breaks, does it not? thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 08:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Sci-Fi isn't the primary network, so it can't really "drop" a show that's on the NBC schedule. As long as it's on NBC, it will be on Sci-Fi from time to time. Even Sci-Fi's most important programs like Stargate, Battlestar Galactica, and Doctor Who fade on and off Sci-Fi's schedule from time to time, but this doesn't mean they are cancelled. Assuming that editors wish to update Wikipedia on a weekly basis, it would be possible to add and delete entries as information became available. When it comes back (as it certainly will), it might be on a different day. Avt tor 15:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Niki/Jessica Sanders needs added to the list of characters that have the sigil for "Godsend"

The latest episode has it on her right after she finds out about she's leaving prison. Nightwkr 20:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

That's already there, has been for months, but thank you. If you reread the section, you should see it. ThuranX 21:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)