Talk:Heroin in popular culture
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[edit] Cobain
Really, there is significant evidence that Cobain may not have committed suicide. Despite what the death certificate said after an investigation that was not thorough. It is not necessary to say "who took his own life". If it needs to mention he died, perhaps "who died in 1994" would be more NPOV.
There is more evidence that Elliott Smith was murdered than there is evidence that Kurt Cobain didn't commit suicide (let alone murdered). Cobain's death is officially a suicide, while Smith's death is not officially a suicide. If you are going to say that Cobain just died in 1994, you shouldn't have a double standard by saying that Smith took his own life. --129.110.198.178 07:37, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- There is of interest in the fact that Cobain had a large amount of heorin in his system (which would *not* have killed him or put him under assuming he had a decent sized habit) when he died. While I personally don't think Cobain killed himself and as such am biased, I still do think saying "he took his own life" is not NPOV given the amount of evidence and published theses saying otherwise. I agree it should just be "died". If there is a double standard, it should be removed, and the questioning of the death of Elliott Smith should simply say "died", unless in both cases there is relevance to say how they died in which case both points of view need to be given IMHO. -Nephalim 08:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] There She Goes
Please stop adding "There She Goes" by the La's into the songs list. This is an unsubstantiated urban legend which has been refuted a number of times. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Search_of_The_La%27s_:_A_Secret_Liverpool
Perhaps that would be best addressed by making a section for songs which are commonly thought to be about heroin, but whose writers (or some other credible sources) have denied this. Be bold. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 15:16, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
I think there should be a clearer distinction between songs that are actually influenced by heroin, and those that simply mention them within their lyrics. The songs section needs to be cleaned up a bit. --Grim13
Can someone please inform me how 13 Going On 30 and "Horse With No Name" by America have anything whatsoever to do with Heroin? "Horse With No Name" is clearly about an actual voyage through a desert, and adding "13 Going On 30" to this list is absolutely ridiculous. The Chief 05:14, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup
Needs sectioning and the lists broken off into section articles. Some images would be nice. I'll see if I get round to it. - FrancisTyers 00:38, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Film List
The Film list needs a bit of a clean up, some of the films on there have nothing to do with Heroin E.g. Goldfinger, Cape Fear (The Scorsese Version contains MArijuana use, but has nothing to do with Heroin)
[edit] Sherlock Holmes
"in the Sherlock Holmes stories written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle ... many believe that Doyle may have been in fact referring to heroin."
Could we please get a more definite source for this than "many believe"? -- 2 january 2006
In fact, the drug most commonly referred to in Doyle's stories was cocaine - see "The Seven-Per Cent Solution".
Don't forget Billy Joel's "Captain Jack" for songs. Many people mistake Captain Jack as slang for heroin when he was actually an ex-fisherman who sold drugs out of a garbage truck to kids when Joel was growing up in Long Island.
[edit] Plain wrong categories
Analgesics Mu-opioid agonists Semisynthetic opioids
Virtually everything else in these categories relates to drugs and agents. There is really no place for "herion in popular culture" there.
[edit] Pete Doherty...
I deleted Pete Doherty from the section of "Artists who have died of heroin overdose". Pete Doherty is alive.
[edit] Should there be a TV section?
I don't know many instances aside from Charlie Pace, but I think it's worth a section. Shay Guy 20:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Song picks that seem to be based on speculation
I haven't read the whole list, but it seems like a number of the musical works on the list don't deserve to be there. The Thirteenth Step by APC, for example. There are no interviews or verified sources that say this album has anything to do with heroin. Spoonman, by soundgarden, is another example. Anything you read about this song will say that the song is about a street performer who played spoons, and never mention heroin.
