Talk:Hymenoptera
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The temptation to hit "bug reports" was almost overwhelming! Anyway, did my PhD on Scelionids with Masner, and wanted to drop by and say "yeah" for whoever is doing this - so "Yeah!"
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[edit] Symphyta groups
Though considered paraphyletic with the Apocrita in some taxonomies, this should not preclude their mention among the Hymenoptera. Superfamilies listed, not Wikified, until some work can be done for at least some of these groups.azwaldo
[edit] What to mention
Why would you list some families for the Vespoidea and not for the others? Unless you have a good reason, would it not be better to be consistent and leave them out?Dave 04:57, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Order of superfamilies
The order looks as though it is in some sort of evolutionary progression. If that is not so, if there really is no logical basis for the order, would it not be better to arrange them alphabetically?Dave 05:06, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] one small addition?
while the ancient Greek translation is a very impressive find. The name Hymenoptera actually is derived from hymeno, god of marriage and ptera wing. which refers to the joining of the wings by a hamuli. the hamulus are a minute series of hooks on the wings of Hymenoptera that allow the wings to join and beat in unison while in flight.
I just wanted to see if this is a worthy addition to this article. As pretty much every insect has membranous wings and apart from the hamuli like structures in some Lepidoptera the hamulus are one of the defining factors of Hymenoptera.
just wanted to get some opinions before making any changes.
(Entoman09 05:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC))
I'm silly Hamuli are mentioned in the article, but is it ok if the information about the first half of the name Hymenoptera is added? (Entoman09 06:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC))
- I don't know if the name actually does derive from Hymeno. Now, I'm not sure about this, but, according to the OED, it appears that Linnaeus was going off of some Latin word (perhaps hymenoptera) which comes from a Greek word ὑμενόπτερα which comes from ὑμήν. Sadly, my Latin dictionary doesn't have hymenoptera, nor does my LSJ have ὑμενόπτερα, so I can't look up the origins of these words. In any case, the OED mentions ὑμήν as the apical prefix of the word, and so I think that we should stick with that, unless you have some other compelling evidence. If you have access to Linnaeus' writings or something, I think that would rather definitely settle it. Cerealkiller13 07:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
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- While I don't have access to Linnaeus' writings I'm just referring to my 2005 edition of Borror and Delong's introduction to the study of insects. However, that text may be just Defining Hymeno with it's Greek mythological meaning. Hymen was the Greek god of marriage but it still refers to any kind of membrane. So both meanings are correct. I guess its open to interpretation and relative to whom is talking about it. eh?
Entoman09 07:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
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- Well, I don't think this is the case. Either Linnaeus sort of made up the word (as biologists often do), and then the correct definition is born from his intent, or else he was taking from some premade word, and then there is probably a definitive etymology for that word. Although I will certainly admit I don't know which one is the case, and so I will heartily admit my etymology could be wrong. Cerealkiller13 17:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
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